Your (ideal/current) Monk/Champ MvP Build.

[Danny]

Just wanting to know what sort of MvP builds exist out there and which you would consider effective in the current 11.3

I would assume 99 str 7x int rest dex (base) would still be the cookie-cutter build? It's been a while.

[Burning!!!]

yeah, just cookie cutter. Most if it depends on gears, having maestro top, wise sunnies, +9 2x carded lichs bone wand, sign, and so on.

[Lane]

99 str 99 int go.

[Anutsu]

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5888/anutsuig3.png

That's with +5 STR food (to get my STR bonus for top tier MVPs). Calc says I'd deal 1k more dmg with Porcellio, too lazy to buy one.
I'm not fond of the 99/99 builds, your cast time is insanely low (look who's talking) and while they cost a lot of stat points, you get little benefit from the last points put into INT. Most of the time, it's your equipment that makes the difference anyway. Weak MVPs are not that camped anymore (ah the good old Maya times, facing 1548 people), and even with comp, it's all about OSing or finding it first. Getting DEX will help you MVP more comfortably.

[Oscarsito]

Is that a clip of Bigmouth ?

[TerraKaze]

+9 2x carded lich bone wand isn't better than a +9/10 Chain [3]. It just sounds better because it adds sp. Its lower atk, and it has less slots. At least thats what I found out when I calc'ed the damage between them.

[Whacko Jacko]

Is that a clip of Bigmouth ?

Probably a Clip of Eternity.

[MistressTifa]

Porcello Armor > Roda Frog

[Lane]

Lich does help alot with most builds, but not with high SP pool builds if I recall.

Also, 99 str 99 int rest dex is PURE MvP champs'ville. In the end the highest damage count, not a 1 second faster cast time.

Also, I'd probably use a 3x AK 1 Mino Mace.

[Feint]

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5888/anutsuig3.png

That's with +5 STR food (to get my STR bonus for top tier MVPs). Calc says I'd deal 1k more dmg with Porcellio, too lazy to buy one.
I'm not fond of the 99/99 builds, your cast time is insanely low (look who's talking) and while they cost a lot of stat points, you get little benefit from the last points put into INT. Most of the time, it's your equipment that makes the difference anyway. Weak MVPs are not that camped anymore (ah the good old Maya times, facing 1548 people), and even with comp, it's all about OSing or finding it first. Getting DEX will help you MVP more comfortably.

Isn't it hard to cast Asura with that Dex and no Phen equipped? Or do you always have someone tank the MVP?

[Anutsu]

Also, 99 str 99 int rest dex is PURE MvP champs'ville. In the end the highest damage count, not a 1 second faster cast time.How exactly the highest damage is important when there will be only one champ dealing damage? Maya, Edgga, Moonlight, Mistress, Phreeoni, TG, GTB etc. First one to find it gets it and if both champs find it at the same time, a few more points in DEX will help you more than 3k INT. Throw in LexA and the "MVPs you can OS" list gets even bigger. High HP pool MVPs are also about who finds it first, who cares if you deal 10k more damage than the other guy if he dealt more GFs than you on the MVP.
You can lose because of having a lower INT than the other champ, but it's rare. As rare as losing because you died in the middle of your 13 hours GF cast time.
Two things make an MVP champ wins when MVPing: finding the MVP first and his equipment.


Oscarsito > It's a clip of Eternity yes.
Tifa > that's exactly what I said in my post.
Feint > that's my Valk default gear, I always have a devo paladin with me at Valk.

[Whacko Jacko]

Isn't it hard to cast Asura with that Dex and no Phen equipped? Or do you always have someone tank the MVP?

There's this new equip that came with nameless, Orlean's Gown, that according to its description is superior to a phen clip... +15% cast time, cast uninterpretable and its slotted, vs +25% cast time for phen accessory. I am wondering if that is just a typo or not; I don't really need a phen for my champ so I haven't bought one yet (guess it helps I don't play it really either).

[Atum]

Isn't it hard to cast Asura with that Dex and no Phen equipped? Or do you always have someone tank the MVP?
There is also the possibility of using orleans gown as "improved phen" :)

Edit : Too slow, i hate you, whacko

[Dante]

Mine's 99str/93int/40dex. These kinds of build actually shines in high tier MVPs where you have the whole group supporting you from tanking till buffing so cast time doesn't matter, while damage does. As for high-tier MVPs there's no such thing as 'whoa I found it first, got the 1st GFist all by myself lololol'

But for weaker, regular MVPs you'll want dex. As the Morpheus set comes in, even dex>int champions can get more MSP than they could ever imagine.

[Anutsu]

Mine's 99str/93int/40dex. These kinds of build actually shines in high tier MVPs where you have the whole group supporting you from tanking till buffing so cast time doesn't matter, while damage does. As for high-tier MVPs there's no such thing as 'whoa I found it first, got the 1st GFist all by myself lololol'
Actually there is. You leave little to no chance to competition if you find Randgris first and start dealing damage.

[Feint]

Actually there is. You leave little to no chance to competition if you find Randgris first and start dealing damage.

euRO is probably the only server with competition at Randgris, though :)

[nameless-one]

euRO is probably the only server with competition at Randgris, though :)
Well, Chaos yes - Loki is a bit strange. Just one single person wants to be MvP all the time and really lives on that map. All others are some kind of sick of him and his behavior. Last times ppl asked me to do the MvP it turns out like this:
http://666kb.com/i/az0bzx6rcfsrp7vg2.jpg

Lazy, lazy... ^^

@ topic:
99 STR/INT is cool, my Champ has that build. But you still want to get some DEX. If you go hunt MvPs alone, you wish for some more DEX, bcuz the casttime without any support is rly long. :D And you don't wanne end up with nearly no HP after a GFist all the time. :D

@ Anutsu: Old screen or still not named godlikes?


greets
n-o

[Danny]

I see.

With my monk being 9x and having:

85 STR
4x DEX
4x INT

All base. Should I pump my STR to 99 now? I have like 250 allocation points remaining.

I want to be able to MvP on my monk for fun whilst getting to 99, and just curious as to what build I should follow, especially with all the new gear in 11.3

[Lane]

How exactly the highest damage is important when there will be only one champ dealing damage? Maya, Edgga, Moonlight, Mistress, Phreeoni, TG, GTB etc. First one to find it gets it and if both champs find it at the same time, a few more points in DEX will help you more than 3k INT. Throw in LexA and the "MVPs you can OS" list gets even bigger. High HP pool MVPs are also about who finds it first, who cares if you deal 10k more damage than the other guy if he dealt more GFs than you on the MVP.
You can lose because of having a lower INT than the other champ, but it's rare. As rare as losing because you died in the middle of your 13 hours GF cast time.
Two things make an MVP champ wins when MVPing: finding the MVP first and his equipment.


Oscarsito > It's a clip of Eternity yes.
Tifa > that's exactly what I said in my post.
Feint > that's my Valk default gear, I always have a devo paladin with me at Valk.

You're not worth arguing.

If you find it first and you can 1 shot it, even if my cast time is 10 seconds I'll out MvP the person with 1 second cast time if I beat him to it, and vice versa. So I dont get your dex argument.

If you want a Pure MvP champ with the highest possible damage output with your Gfists 99/99.

[Teoc]

No vit guys ? Did you die a lot ?

[nameless-one]

lol vit



no

[Liquify]

I believe that the 94sp more of n-o's build aren't better than the 24% faster cast time of Anutsu's build on Valkyrie since you need more than 2 asuras for her.

[Anutsu]

You're not worth arguing.

If you find it first and you can 1 shot it, even if my cast time is 10 seconds I'll out MvP the person with 1 second cast time if I beat him to it, and vice versa. So I dont get your dex argument.
Then pay attention when people talk. I suggest you go learn more about the game mechanics if you don't see how you would get more benefit from more points in DEX than more points in INT when you're already OSing stuff.
You don't have close to 1% of the experience I have as an MVP champion. Keep talking about numbers.

Danny> Yes, get 99 STR asap, it's really the most important stat if you want to start MVPing.
n-o> I prefer them with no names. :(

[Dante]

Mine's 99str/93int/40dex. These kinds of build actually shines in high tier MVPs where you have the whole group supporting you from tanking till buffing so cast time doesn't matter, while damage does. As for high-tier MVPs there's no such thing as 'whoa I found it first, got the 1st GFist all by myself lololol'

But for weaker, regular MVPs you'll want dex. As the Morpheus set comes in, even dex>int champions can get more MSP than they could ever imagine.

I doubt you can GFist at such ease by yourself to Randgris.

One more note, nobody used Biochemist? It's odd to expect a champion to get 1st hit in while you have tons of Biochemist competition.

[nameless-one]

Bios are no competition anymore...


=)
no

[Dante]

It's 1st hit, not the competition. Casting AB > casting GFist.

[Pantsu]

I believe that the 94sp more of n-o's build aren't better than the 24% faster cast time of Anutsu's build on Valkyrie since you need more than 2 asuras for her.

I doubt the 94 sp will matter much for any of the MVP's really. The amount of damage increase probably won't make a difference for one shotting or not for most MVP's. My original build for MVP champ was the identical build as Anutsu's, but I might only keep 45 dex (mainly cuz I'd never get to 99 and I'd save those 5 points of dex for last) and go 89/90 (I forget which) int.

Just because 99/99 would do the most damage with one fist doesn't mean it's ideal.

[Oscarsito]

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5888/anutsuig3.png

That's with +5 STR food (to get my STR bonus for top tier MVPs). Calc says I'd deal 1k more dmg with Porcellio, too lazy to buy one.
I'm not fond of the 99/99 builds, your cast time is insanely low (look who's talking) and while they cost a lot of stat points, you get little benefit from the last points put into INT. Most of the time, it's your equipment that makes the difference anyway. Weak MVPs are not that camped anymore (ah the good old Maya times, facing 1548 people), and even with comp, it's all about OSing or finding it first. Getting DEX will help you MVP more comfortably.

Isn't it hard to cast Asura with that Dex and no Phen equipped? Or do you always have someone tank the MVP?


Porcellio Orleans Gown ? :D

[ihigh]

but isnt it like this?
say i asura first, and i do say 100k dmg to a 150k hp mvp
then you asura it and do 125k dmg, u get mvp of course...but i get first priority on items?
sometimes the priority on items is better than the mvp itself on lower-tier like GTB and stuff

[Feint]

but isnt it like this?
say i asura first, and i do say 100k dmg to a 150k hp mvp
then you asura it and do 125k dmg, u get mvp of course...but i get first priority on items?
sometimes the priority on items is better than the mvp itself on lower-tier like GTB and stuff

If your Asura is the very first hit on the MVP, its damage is doubled when the MVP dies. It would be considered a 200k damage hit, thus giving you the MVP reward.

[Dante]

^^

It's not doubled at all. Assuming both champion take little [omittable] or no damage, the one with 125k would be the MVP, while the other would be the one who gets 1st priority to pick the item. Making it short:

MVP: damage dealt + damage taken
Item priority: damage dealt [x 1.3 if being first hitter]

Orleans Gown really rocks for Champions, actually. No more 1 acc slot wasted for phen, so you're good to wear both accessories that add damage, with the morpheus set being an exception. No need for sac/SW/ME/anything anymore for champs with 2 belts and low dex.

[Annka]

99+xx str
81+xx int
24+7 vit
50+20 dex

Its quite nice to have 30vit. Definitely better to have 30vit then 6 int.

[Amazeroth]

final build:
98 + XX STR
88 + XX INT
50 + XX DEX
03 + 07 VIT

stopped playing my champ @ 94/61 :(

[Sora`]

If you have 2 belts on your champ I don't see why you would go for such super low dex. After playing with 80 base dex and 2 belts, it'd be impossible to get a gfist off on some things with lower dex.

Anutsu's build would only deal ~25k more damage (50k lexed) on MVPs compared to 80dex/60int. With that sort of dex are you even able to get a gfist off on an MVP like atroce without it being fully tanked? With 80 dex and a safety wall it's just enough if he's in 2hq.

[Anutsu]

Well, I didn't have even one belt when I made the champ. It was very different back then when everything was about getting enough INT to OS stuff and everyone didn't have access to a belt. The twenty champs camping Maya didn't have access to a belt (no one hit kill) and you knew you had to make more damage in one strike than the other guy to win. Back then, pure INT builds were shining yes. Now it's different, with belts and all the new MVPs having at least 1m+ HP and powerful skills, burst damage is not everything and your casting speed has to be taken into consideration too. Still, I wouldn't get such a high DEX, I never really had problems killing Atroce, SW and SW+ pre-Suff when he's in 2HQ and I wouldn't want to lose my ability to OS some MVPs by lowering my INT, even by 20. I still prefer a 80 base DEX champ over a 25 base DEX one though.

[Oscarsito]

how about 70 base dex ? :D

[Zearth]

I gotta love my 130 DEX Champ killing most bosses with 1 Ashura. Well that's with 2 megs and stats food of course. The normies may be differ. :( Damn equipment-game!

70 Dex is fine so you can balance out VIT/INT.

[TVirus]

i use an orlean's uniform with egnigem cenia, 90int gives me 5 str to close a bonus in str and it works better than porcellio, it's like + 40 Atk

my stats are:
str 91+89
int 90+40
dex 58+37

using megingjard, foods and stuff xP

[Dishonru]

99 str / 99 int is garbage

listen to the people posting other builds, with out vit

[Pantsu]

I've changed my champ's final build to 99 str/80 int/60 dex. Part of me wishes I could still get more dex too.

[Zearth]

No point having too much INT when you have Meginjards. You pretty much can own anything and in WoE with a Bard.

[junta-kun]

why would people get vit on mvp champ? And why would others rather invest it in the ".2-faster casting" dex or "3k extra damage" int?

and what gears would you guys wear? Morpheus set with a tri AK-mino mace or the +9 dbl AK wand?

[Myzery]

Vit is pointless, I get close to 9k hp with 1 vit.
Use the Morpheus set if you don't have access to god items and I personally use a Triple AK - Titan mace, with low dex it stomps all over the Lich's bone wand and Lich's is more for champs with low int anyways.

[Soujiro]

my champ is lvl 98 and its initial build was 99str 93int and 40dex. I just recently did the 20 stat reset to 99str 77int and 60 dex with the final build going to 80int. For someone that has lived with 40dex for so long i love the 20 additional dex. The max gfist dmg is down but the minimum has gone up.

[themvpah]

If you want a Pure MvP champ with the highest possible damage output with your Gfists 99/99.

isnt the highest 99/91/50 or something, however many points you can get for dex or luk

[Starry]

isnt the highest 99/91/50 or something, however many points you can get for dex or luk

you can sacfice dex for str/int and have shit cast time :confused:

[Abomy]

does GR armor reduce significant dmg from MVPs?

[Morrowind]

GR doesnt work in pvm, except for Earthquake.

[rakisto]

99 str / 33 int / 80 dex!

yay 360k to atroce! :D!!

[Abomy]

how u do 360k dmg to Atroce ? @_@

[rakisto]

2x belts / all sp gear / +9 double lib lich bone wand