Was garment reduction fixed in 11.2?

[Dr. Azzy]

Can you still bypass immune when using strictly neutral attacks with cursed water and such?
-Az

[Lupus]

Yes, it still by-passes immune.
109 int in both cases. Neutral element in the first test, fire in the second.
http://redomo.net/images/acidbomb_test/screenLoki854.jpg

http://redomo.net/images/acidbomb_test/screenLoki855.jpg

[Dr. Azzy]

Lol...
Do we know if it's considered a bug, or a feature by the developers?
B> Inverted deviling card ;-)
-Az

[Feint]

I'd rather call it a feature. Gives a nice advantage for those who have at least a bit knowledge about the game. Hence euRO Loki has around 5 people aware of the effect of elemental converters for AD, Sonic Blow, and whatnot.

[Lupus]

Unfortunately, I think most people on iLoki know of the ability to bypass. All that's left after you've learned that is guessing the element. ;P

[Nivawk]

Cool, I still have a reason to get an Excalibur.

[Shadow Lotus]

You appear to be wearing an Earth haedonggum in the first test...

[Atum]

You appear to be wearing an Earth haedonggum in the first test...
Only weapons with "native" element are ignoring immune, like bazerald, mysteltainn, excalibur,etc.

Weapons which are forged have an element "attached" to them, which doesnt count while acid bombing for ignoring immune.

[Dante]

Quick question. What about Deviling? On one side, Deviling is like 'Raydric Sr.', reducing 50% of AB damage, thus like Raydric, can be bypassed with native element weapons. On the other side, it adds 50% dmg for elemetal attacks, where AB with Bazerald is actually reduced with the kind of Jakk Card.

So, if Bazerald is equipped and AB is done to Deviling user, what would the damage be? Deviling bypassed, or +50% damage?

[Atum]

Bazerald vs immune : since baz is fire element, its skipping immune

Bazerald vs jakk : since baz is fire element, jakk reduces dmg by 30%

Bazerald vs deviling : since baz is fireelement, target recieves additional +50% dmg

[Bass]

Bazerald vs deviling : since baz is fireelement, target recieves additional +50% dmg


I don't think so. The "natural" element on the weapons doesn't work for the elemental weakness chart.


I failed to explain it.

[Edenknight]

Atum is right. Tested/proven.

[Sho Lin]

Can't forget vs valk I get bombed for like 3.6k in pvp with 45vit

[Bastien]

I'd rather call it a feature. Gives a nice advantage for those who have at least a bit knowledge about the game. Hence euRO Loki has around 5 people aware of the effect of elemental converters for AD, Sonic Blow, and whatnot.

Sonic blow doesn't have a neutral damage tag though, it always followed the weapon's element.

[Feint]

Sonic blow doesn't have a neutral damage tag though, it always followed the weapon's element.

That's right, but I just wanted to point out no one uses converters for anything here>_>.
Just try to imagine the idiots in euRO PvP. There are for example LKs who have used their life savings to get an Executioner. It's kind of normal to think you rule the world when you've got a weapon like that in your hand(s). They tend to rape half PvP room with their Bowling Bashes, and once they BB all their SP on a player with Deadly armor(a.k.a me) without dealing any damage, they're like "LOL WUT GM HACKS??". They also refuse to duel people if they know the opponent has a Deadly armor.

That was pretty much offtopic, but whatever.

[Bastien]

I see, that's kinda... pathetic. XP

[John]

Are you sure? Because my scholar would get one shot in WoE by Acid Bomb, and now after the patch, I can actually live it?

[Feint]

Never seen a scholar getting one shotted by Acid Bomb without Lex ô.o
Are you sure you didn't smoke anything weird lately?

[Banisher]

Just try to imagine the idiots in euRO PvP. There are for example LKs who have used their life savings to get an Executioner. It's kind of normal to think you rule the world when you've got a weapon like that in your hand(s). They tend to rape half PvP room with their Bowling Bashes, and once they BB all their SP on a player with Deadly armor(a.k.a me) without dealing any damage, they're like "LOL WUT GM HACKS??". They also refuse to duel people if they know the opponent has a Deadly armor.

Sup.

http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ihaxxeq6.jpg

[Feint]

Sup.

http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ihaxxeq6.jpg

LOLOLOL. OMG. That guy even beats the gertards on euRO. how 2 bcum so pro plz???

[nneg]

Sup.

http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ihaxxeq6.jpg

Mad skillz

[Bastien]

That guy is beyond stupid. O.o

[Vagnard]

That guy even beats the gertards on euRObut i think hes just that xD'
just on chaos not loki, but still euro.

a champ from that guild even wanted to report me because of ksing when i killed eddga while it hit his priest. :dum:
lol, euro

[WK]

Wow, I didn't know Prince Raymond moved to euRO.

[John]

Never seen a scholar getting one shotted by Acid Bomb without Lex ô.o
Are you sure you didn't smoke anything weird lately?

Definetly, even with all reductions, I'd still get one shot, but after the patch, I don't anymore.

[Feint]

but i think hes just that xD'
just on chaos not loki, but still euro.

a champ from that guild even wanted to report me because of ksing when i killed eddga while it hit his priest. :dum:
lol, euro

Oh, that explains the behaviour. Maybe we should make a thread for screenshots of similar situations :)

[Dr. Azzy]

Definetly, even with all reductions, I'd still get one shot, but after the patch, I don't anymore.

Maybe the EuRO scholars dont get tons of vit, but here on iRO, a good portion of scholars have like 90+ vit. Until high levels, those things all drop to 1 bomb without GR.
-Az

[schi]

even with high vit you don't die to 1 ab. at least not with decent equi (hint: cranial ^^)

[Banisher]

Depends on your level and the biochemist bombing you too.

[Swifthand]

Sup.

http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ihaxxeq6.jpg
Wow.
even with high vit you don't die to 1 ab. at least not with decent equi (hint: cranial ^^)
Depends on your level and the biochemist bombing you too.
Level, indeed. Because at higher levels, while the damage from INT v. VIT will remain constant, your MHP has gone up significantly~
Because of this, some classes can get beefy VIT and eventually be able to survive a single Acid Bomb hit. Then because of said VIT, your recovery boost from HP Items is high enough that once you live through one you can just pot back before another goes off (depending on the bio's cast time and if they have strings or not).
I'm personally not a fan of the "I'm not getting as much VIT anymore because I'm afraid of Acid Bomb" excuse for certain classes.

Despite this, due to HP mods and whatnot, certain classes (let's say, Soul Linkers), are pretty much screwed no matter how much VIT they get assuming the VIT is over 5... period. It's all going to be a matter of range/demi-human reduction gear. Good luck.

[EvilAsh]

Weird...I'm on pRO and I've tried elemental converters, elemental weapons (ice falchion, excalibur, etc.), and even had a Scholar endow my weapon but the AB dmg in our server is NEUTRAL. I even tried equipping a Bazerald then AB'ed someone with and without Fireproof potion and the damage was exactly the same. Our last patch we Rachel btw.

[margafred]

I don't think so. The "natural" element on the weapons doesn't work for the elemental weakness chart.


I failed to explain it.
It's simple to explain actually.

There are 2 types of elemental attacks available in RO
- Natural elemental attack (the one shown in the element chart)
- Forcefully elemental attack (this one depends on the equipment,not on the element chart)

Elemental armor can only protect you from natural element attack but not forcefully elemental attack.Elemental protection robe/equipment gives you protection from both.Same goes to those equipments with the ability to reduce damage from element attack by certain percentage (like Goibne full set bonus,wielding mask,valkyrie shield...you should know what i mean),they affect all type of elemental attacks,be it normal elemental or forcefully elemental.

[WK]

Weird...I'm on pRO and I've tried elemental converters, elemental weapons (ice falchion, excalibur, etc.), and even had a Scholar endow my weapon but the AB dmg in our server is NEUTRAL. I even tried equipping a Bazerald then AB'ed someone with and without Fireproof potion and the damage was exactly the same. Our last patch we Rachel btw.
Grats on reviewing a 1.5 months old thread from the dead. It has been fixed on kRO two weeks ago and the patch has been going around to every server slowly but surely since.

[Avarah]

So iro will get the fix in the coming patches? This relates to the debate of Noxious vs. Raydric. If the "bug" is fixed I'm going to go with Raydric, if it's not then Noxious.

[Treken]

Grats on reviewing a 1.5 months old thread from the dead. It has been fixed on kRO two weeks ago and the patch has been going around to every server slowly but surely since.

Thank freaking god! Now deviling will have a use other than gfist.

[Deis' assault]

I'm personally not a fan of the "I'm not getting as much VIT anymore because I'm afraid of Acid Bomb" excuse for certain classes

Seconded. My favorite class regarding that was High Priest.

[John]

I'd say keep it as it is, most acid bombs are a joke now anyway.

[Quad]

On euRO they fixed it too some weeks ago


1. Screen:

LK: Immune, no other equip
Crea: no weapon equipped


http://i1.tinypic.com/8a09190.jpg


2. Screen:

LK: Immune, no other equip
Crea: Kindle Dagger (http://www.rocards.de/Item(1247).rc) for fire element, same int as above.


http://i6.tinypic.com/6jw0txk.jpg


3. Screen:

LK: no equip
Crea: Kindle Dagger, same int as above.


http://i18.tinypic.com/6k9odxj.jpg

[Jayed]

They got this fix without any other specific content, i.e., a submarine patch? Or should we be expecting it with an episode? Perhaps we got it today's maint since the christmas event is something that gives us a lot of global synchonization in terms of server changes, usually.

[Rain]

So iro will get the fix in the coming patches? This relates to the debate of Noxious vs. Raydric. If the "bug" is fixed I'm going to go with Raydric, if it's not then Noxious.

Um why? The damage reduction will be the same.

[Master_Loki]

Um why? The damage reduction will be the same.

Well raydric is useful in woe/pvp and pvm now. Noxious is only good in pvp/woe. Personally, I still prefer noxious in woe/pvp though, since acid bomb wasn't the main reason I got it for.

I have both so, its all good.

[margafred]

Um why? The damage reduction will be the same.
Its not really that same..Noxious robe could only reduces 19% damage from AB while Raydric reduces 20% damage from AB.

Range damage reduction and neutral damage reduction doesn't stack together,they have separate calculation for it.

[Rav]

That is with no other gear.
If you are a high priest with gators and long mace, you already have -20% from range.

With immune: -20% ranged -20% neutral
= 64% damage taken

With noxious: -30% ranged, -10% neutral
= 63% damage taken

It depends on your gear and what else is in the room (i.e. tss vs asura, snipers, oh god not spiral pierce!11, etc). Against AD specifically, noxious can go either way.

[Jayed]

Its not really that same..Noxious robe could only reduces 19% damage from AB while Raydric reduces 20% damage from AB.

Range damage reduction and neutral damage reduction doesn't stack together,they have separate calculation for it.

however your 10% from ranged will stack with your four leaf clover accessories and possibly long mace if you're a priest, so noxious is same or better if you're seriously trying to reduce AB.

-20% neutral / -10% ranged = 72%
-20% neutral / -20% ranged = 64%
-10% neutral / -20% ranged = 72%
-10% neutral / -30% ranged = 63%

[Rav]

I'm locking this thread, please continue in the other one (http://forums.irowiki.org/showthread.php?t=3961). Also, calculating 10% & 20% against 10% & 20% is unnecessary for obvious reasons.