Brezebub CARD !!! ???

[Ares]

Well i've heard of this and one of my friends has seen it atleast that 's wat she says:confused:its seems to reduce casting time by 30% ....?

so anyone out there who knows where and how to get this card pls tell

[Scry]

My killing Beelzebub and getting extremely lucky.

[Ichigo]

Well i've heard of this and one of my friends has seen it atleast that 's wat she says:confused:its seems to reduce casting time by 30% ....?

so anyone out there who knows where and how to get this card pls tell

seems like pure speculation to me.

[Artamir]

Some private servers have been using that card description for years, not sure if it's still the case. It's not based on any concrete information as far as I know.

[nneg]

No that was the old effect of the MVP which spawned on the airship. I dunno if it will be the card for the new mvp.

[lyly]

Well i've heard of this and one of my friends has seen it atleast that 's wat she says:confused:its seems to reduce casting time by 30% ....?

That was the proposed Kiel card effect. Well, I may be confused. Kiel was maybe 30% reduction of after cast delay. Beh.

[Fish!]

That was the proposed Kiel card effect. Well, I may be confused. Kiel was maybe 30% reduction of after cast delay. Beh.
Kiel was aftercast. Beezlebub was in the RO client for a long time but never actually implanted so therefor never used. The new mvp's card could be this, or they could change it.

[Ares]

so in other words this card does not exsist yet or not implected ........ ???

will the card come out in future patches???

has anyone seen it???

FYI - one more thing my frnd said that the wiz who was holding it said it was a quest to get the card???? HUH!?? and im in indian RO and the latest patch that has been added was the einbroch patch ...so there's no way this card is there a and i've checked out the card on the net where ever i could and on one site it showed the card pic and on another site it showed the monster that dropped it [it was the gremlin in the plan] sooooo [I]WTF!!!???

[Dante]

Beelzebub is out from long time ago, even before trans class was implemented on my server. Before somebody starts flaming, it's official server. I play in idRO . The card wasn't dropped, wasn't obtainable from quests either, but it was given as the prize for 3rd position in RIC 2005 [Ragnarok Indonesian Championship]. It was held in mid 2005, where trans classes were implemented quite much later, in the end of 2005. Some people even think that the guild which won the card was actually aiming for it. In other words, they just gave up the semifinal and played all-out afterwards in final for 3rd place. Of course, guys from the corresponding guild denied that their defeat in semifinal was intended. :p

As this cards gets very rare [even rarer than GTBs], you can bet many rumors spread about it. Some guys said A in guild B in server C got it by bribing the Gamemasters, few guys said D got it from 20931072 OCAs [lol at this one], etc. But at least, in my server, [I]there REALLY IS Beelzebub Card, I can assure you that. Simply because, it was a prize for the 3rd place in RIC 2005, an official tournament held by the operator company itself.

What does it give? Yes, indeed, 30% reduced cast time. I haven't witnessed Beelzebub Card on action by myself, so I can't really tell you what it is like. From people already seeing it, they usually give some simple, retorical statements like 'WOW VERY QUICK CAST THERE HAX' or 'I NEARLY CAN'T SEE THE CAST TIME LOLOLOL'. Again, it was all about rumor, and I'm not really into it. Till now, the whereabouts of the only card in the whole server is unknown.

What about the pic in the card? No, it is not 'Now Printing'. The card has its own image already. It is just like Ares said, the king in blue with a crown. Looks nearly like MVP Beelzebub's true form, only in the card, he's handsome, not ugly. In other words, it's like him in his human form for the card pic, and him in his monster from for the MVP's true form.

To make it even clearer, is there any of you guys read the Ragnarok Manga, vol. 10? In the comic, Lee Myoung Jin told Sakray's past, the day when he was in love [a forbidden one] with the princess he should be guarding, in which the princess was later forced to marry a nobleman close to her father [the King]. It turns out that the nobleman has evil plan, which Sakray overheard it unintentionally. When he attempted to report it to his superior, he was imprisoned for nobody believed his words. At the prison he made a deal with demonic sword Tartanos [Thanatos, lol], his soul in exchange for his release from the prison. When he got back to the castle, it was too late. The king's murdered, and the nobleman was actually some sort of half-monster. It turns out that his ultimate goal was no other than the sword Tartanos itself, which Tartanos has chosen Sakray already. Tartanos then cut the nobleman in ease. The nobleman, in great pain, kills the princess who had her neck bound with some kind of spiked tentacles before [you guess what happens next to her, and what Sakray did to the nobleman afterwards]. The nobleman's face is very much alike with the pic in Beelzebub Card. That's all I have to say.

[Ares]

OMG !? so the only card that can biring down cast time by 30% is a myth in nearly /mist servers??? ........i cant believe it i want that card...T_T

anyone else have any where abouts of the card???

[Forgottenesper]

Moved to Q&A.

Please try to keep the spamm out of this thread -_-;

[Swifthand]

To make it even clearer, is there any of you guys read the Ragnarok Manga, vol. 10? In the comic, Lee Myoung Jin told Sakray's past, the day when he was in love [a forbidden one] with the princess he should be guarding, in which the princess was later forced to marry a nobleman close to her father [the King]. It turns out that the nobleman has evil plan, which Sakray overheard it unintentionally. When he attempted to report it to his superior, he was imprisoned for nobody believed his words. At the prison he made a deal with demonic sword Tartanos [Thanatos, lol], his soul in exchange for his release from the prison. When he got back to the castle, it was too late. The king's murdered, and the nobleman was actually some sort of half-monster. It turns out that his ultimate goal was no other than the sword Tartanos itself, which Tartanos has chosen Sakray already. Tartanos then cut the nobleman in ease. The nobleman, in great pain, kills the princess who had her neck bound with some kind of spiked tentacles before [you guess what happens next to her, and what Sakray did to the nobleman afterwards]. The nobleman's face is very much alike with the pic in Beelzebub Card. That's all I have to say.

From what I recall, the sword of Skurai/Sakray, Talatsu, is actually much more like Mysteltainn in RO and this has been pretty clearly shown a few times, especially since the game worked in as many elements from the Manwha as it could early on and then broke from it long before the patch that brought us Thanatos Tower.

Thanatos originates in either Classical Mythology, as a Death God, or Freudian Psychology, where it is the Death Instinct (not to be confused with Destrado, the destruction instinct). Thus the tower of Thanatos is the tower of Death, more specifically will towards the death of everyone, both oneself and others.

[Doddler]

Kiel was aftercast. Beezlebub was in the RO client for a long time but never actually implanted so therefor never used. The new mvp's card could be this, or they could change it.

Exactly as you say. The card is unchanged. Its basically the same story as the anubis card... it was in the game for a very long time, but the monster did not exist till recently.

The card has a long time old illustration and effect. When beelzebub is added to the game, he can drop his card, which is -30% casting time.

http://romi.chu.jp/card/illust/4145.pnghttp://ro.doddlercon.com/wiki/images/0/00/Beelzebub.gif

While its certainly much less hideous than beelzebub really is, that is definately him. Its fairly obvious, he holds a book and his staff with two right hands, has a crown, green antenae and a gigantic blue manteau.

[Feint]

OMG !? so the only card that can biring down cast time by 30% is a myth in nearly /mist servers??? ........i cant believe it i want that card...T_T

anyone else have any where abouts of the card???

Getting the card(especially on a server still living the Stone Age) is about as realistic as getting 3 GTB cards in a row from porings. Not to forget about the fact Beelzebub card is not even that godlike. If your Dex was somewhere around 20, the casting time reduction would feel great. On higher Dex, however, it wouldn't be much better than a Nimble Glove anyway(I'm guessing it's an accessory card). And keep in mind 150 Dex has not been much of a problem since the Rebirth Update.

Also, in your first post you asked where and how to get the card. Unless the server you're playing on is not selling cards and stuff, and does not have quests for such items, the only ways to get cards are Old Card Albums and killing monsters, I believe. Considering Beelzebub is an MVP, not many possibilities are left.

[Ichigo]

Exactly as you say. The card is unchanged. Its basically the same story as the anubis card... it was in the game for a very long time, but the monster did not exist till recently.

The card has a long time old illustration and effect. When beelzebub is added to the game, he can drop his card, which is -30% casting time.

http://romi.chu.jp/card/illust/4145.pnghttp://ro.doddlercon.com/wiki/images/0/00/Beelzebub.gif

While its certainly much less hideous than beelzebub really is, that is definately him. Its fairly obvious, he holds a book and his staff with two right hands, has a crown, green antenae and a gigantic blue manteau.

Where would this hax card go into? I'm assuming Headgear?

[Bass]

It's an accessory card. It sucks balls, as any other %cast reduction card.

[Deviattor]

Accessory I believe.

[Ichigo]

So possibly put this in an Orleans Glove on a low DEX caster with higher VIT?

[luix]

75 dex = 50% cast time + Beelzebub = 20% cast time?

Meh, still sucks balls for being an MVP drop.

[Ergroilnin]

2 berzebub cards = 60% cast time + 2 dark illusion = - 80 % cast time? :-D

[Feint]

75 dex = 50% cast time + Beelzebub = 20% cast time?

Meh, still sucks balls for being an MVP drop.

I'm sure it works just like the other reduction items.

75 Dex=50% cast time. 75 Dex+Beelzebub=50%*0.7=35% Cast time.

120 Dex=20% cast time. 120 Dex+Beelzebub=0.2*0.7=14% Cast time.

Not worth it at all, imho.

[Bass]

75 dex = 50% cast time + Beelzebub = 20% cast time?

Meh, still sucks balls for being an MVP drop.

Actually, that'd be 20% from the remaining 50%.

Edit: Too late xD

[Dante]

I'm quite sure that modifier from Beelzebub Card does not add with modifier from DEX. It stacks, hence it's not as good as it seems.

Questions however, is Beelzebub Card falls to same category as Magic Strings has? Then it adds together with reduction from strings?

[Dr. Azzy]

With 2 Berzebub, it's close to being able to get perma instacast.
You could build a wiz completely differently with 2 berzebubs. Would that stack additively with suff so suff = instacast?

99 int
1 dex
99 vit
Dura-wizard

It's a truely godly card. Not really good singly, but insane if you have 2.
-Az

[Ichigo]

With 2 Berzebub, it's close to being able to get perma instacast.
You could build a wiz completely differently with 2 berzebubs. Would that stack additively with suff so suff = instacast?

99 int
1 dex
99 vit
Dura-wizard

It's a truely godly card. Not really good singly, but insane if you have 2.
-Az

Unless you have GR, say hi to acid bomb. Otherwise ranked slims, better vit def, higher hp, stun res, and better survivability :O + instacast. hawt. Though having two of those cards...not in this lifetime, even with bubblegum.

[Feint]

With 2 Berzebub, it's close to being able to get perma instacast.
You could build a wiz completely differently with 2 berzebubs. Would that stack additively with suff so suff = instacast?

99 int
1 dex
99 vit
Dura-wizard

It's a truely godly card. Not really good singly, but insane if you have 2.
-Az

Though you'd be better off going for Int/Str/Vit if Beelzebub works like that(and if you managed to get 2 of them, lol). Anyway, this thread wasn't about wizard builds so this post is offtopic :wah:

[Deviattor]

If I were to guess...

75 dex = 50% cast time + Beelzebub = 20% cast time?

Meh, still sucks balls for being an MVP drop.

no

2 berzebub cards = 60% cast time + 2 dark illusion = - 80 % cast time? :-D

yes

Beelzebub will be useful at like uh... <138 Dex?

Wondering if/how Foresight stacks with it.

Edit: I had this thread open way too long before posting. :/

[Vagnard]

2 beelzebub cards + 2 dark illusion cards + dark lord card + wing staff = -95%?
someone get the last 5% from somewhere =p

would be like 142/143 dex :spin:

[Xxelos]

2 beelzebub cards + 2 dark illusion cards + dark lord card + wing staff = -95%?
someone get the last 5% from somewhere =p

2 Beelzebub Cards + 2 Dark Illusion cards + Dark Lord Card + Orlean's Server + Orlean's Glove = 100% Cast Time Reduction.

[Ares]

yes ..... here's my doubt i didnt quite understand ..... so wat say u have 150 dex already
is dat insta cast or near to it??......... so having the beelzebub card will make a diffrence or not???......and in wat way???

[Feint]

150 Dex is instant cast. Adding Beelzebub to that wouldn't do anything(except you'd lose the instant cast 'cause you end up losing a Nimble Glove).

Just forget about Beelzebub card. Unless your server is selling those, you'll never get one(not to forget you'd need 2 of them). And in case the server sells those, quit it already.

[Ares]

so wat if the server doesnt give it .or doesnt have it ....... dont i have the right to know about it....

[Kaito kid]

You can wait until episode 11.3 and then hunting Belzebub. If he drop the card, you know it's ingame

[Ichigo]

2 Beelzebub Cards + 2 Dark Illusion cards + Dark Lord Card + Orlean's Server + Orlean's Glove = 100% Cast Time Reduction.

future hax ep 13 warlock build anyone?

[Rulas]

Lets say you cast a SG in 10 seconds no gears on

then equip 1 berzebu card -30%
You will cast SG in 7 seconds

then equipo another berzebu card -30%
You will cast SG in 4.9 seconds

then equip a Dark Illusion card -10%
You will cast SG in 4.41 seconds

then equip another Dark Illusion card -10%
You will cast SG in 3.96 seconds

Unless you get 150 dex you can not get instant cast, it will always show a cast bar even when it could be less than a second cast time.

[Xxelos]

Incorrect, % reduction gear stack then factor dex reduction after. If you have 100% reduction gear like I posted, you will hit perma-instant cast. However like others said, it's pretty much impossible as it requires multiple MVP cards, 2 of the cards come from a MVP not in iRO *YET*. Still, improbable, but possible.

[Ichigo]

Lets say you cast a SG in 10 seconds no gears on

then equip 1 berzebu card -30%
You will cast SG in 7 seconds

then equipo another berzebu card -30%
You will cast SG in 4.9 seconds

then equip a Dark Illusion card -10%
You will cast SG in 4.41 seconds

then equip another Dark Illusion card -10%
You will cast SG in 3.96 seconds

Unless you get 150 dex you can not get instant cast, it will always show a cast bar even when it could be less than a second cast time.

diminishing returns at its finest.

Incorrect, % reduction gear stack then factor dex reduction after. If you have 100% reduction gear like I posted, you will hit perma-instant cast. However like others said, it's pretty much impossible as it requires multiple MVP cards, 2 of the cards come from a MVP not in iRO *YET*. Still, improbable, but possible.

possible -> If you camp the spawn from the moment it appears after patch maintenance and use bubblegum at every single spawn time and get a successful mvp each time, you'd still need 100+ kills for a 1% chance at card rate.
improbable -> More than likely someone who has/is (a.) unemployed (b.) possesses inheritance/vast amounts of wealth/disposable income and (c.) tons of leisure time or (d.) is an asian item farmer for irl funds would have the time for 24/7 Beezulbub hunting.

In other words, you have better chances of winning the World Series if you're the Colorado Rockies this year than getting consecutive Beezulbub card drops in the future, let alone any MVP card drop.

[Doddler]

Lets say you cast a SG in 10 seconds no gears on

then equip 1 berzebu card -30%
You will cast SG in 7 seconds

then equipo another berzebu card -30%
You will cast SG in 4.9 seconds

then equip a Dark Illusion card -10%
You will cast SG in 4.41 seconds

then equip another Dark Illusion card -10%
You will cast SG in 3.96 seconds

Unless you get 150 dex you can not get instant cast, it will always show a cast bar even when it could be less than a second cast time.

As Xxelos said, thats incorrect. Cast speed works just like aspd. The bonus's stack linearly. For example, a lord knight with berserk pot (-20% delay), two hand quicken (-30% delay), and frenzy (-30%) delay, will have only 20% of the original delay between attacks. Even with the base 140 aspd (1.2s between attacks), that means that even without any stats at all the lord knight with those buffs will boost his aspd to 188 (0.24s between attacks).

Cast is the same thing. Both work off a reduction of the delay after your stats have been taken into effect. With all those cards, you would have an 80% reduction in cast time. Your 10s cast time becomes 2s. Only difference is that there is no 'minimum' delay for casting like there is with attacks. With a 100% reduction in cast time, there would be no cast time at all.

It is however, impossible to reach instant cast without either 150 dex of -100% cast time. Even with 140 dex and -80% reduction in cast time, a 10s spell would still take 0.13s to cast.

[Solarcow105]

As Xxelos said, thats incorrect. Cast speed works just like aspd. The bonus's stack linearly. For example, a lord knight with berserk pot (-20% delay), two hand quicken (-30% delay), and frenzy (-30%) delay, will have only 20% of the original delay between attacks. Even with the base 140 aspd (1.2s between attacks), that means that even without any stats at all the lord knight with those buffs will boost his aspd to 188 (0.24s between attacks).

Cast is the same thing. Both work off a reduction of the delay after your stats have been taken into effect. With all those cards, you would have an 80% reduction in cast time. Your 10s cast time becomes 2s. Only difference is that there is no 'minimum' delay for casting like there is with attacks. With a 100% reduction in cast time, there would be no cast time at all.

It is however, impossible to reach instant cast without either 150 dex of -100% cast time. Even with 140 dex and -80% reduction in cast time, a 10s spell would still take 0.13s to cast.


Would suff count as cast reduction and stack as such or calculate after all the cast reduc. Since the skill says -45% (i believe?) cast time at level 3, would suff 3 + 2x beelzebub cards = insta cast? Would it be something similar with magic strings too?

[Sora`]

With 2 Berzebub, it's close to being able to get perma instacast.
You could build a wiz completely differently with 2 berzebubs. Would that stack additively with suff so suff = instacast?

99 int
1 dex
99 vit
Dura-wizard

It's a truely godly card. Not really good singly, but insane if you have 2.
-Az

If you were to build a wizard with 1 base dex, you better have the set the other person listed already with 2 Dark Illusion cards, Dark Lord, and the Orleans set to hit instant cast. Insane amount of mvp items needed, but that is the only way this build (with more of a mix between str and vit) would even be viable.

Now lets play with some numbers. A level 10 Storm Gust is a 15 second cast. Average dex added to a high wizard between gear and job levels is about +30 dex.

So having 1 base dex will give you roughly:

(1 - 30/150) x 15 Seconds = 12 Second cast time
Factor in a 60% reduction to this with 2 Berz cards and you get:
(1 - 0.6) x 12 Seconds = 4.8 Second Cast time

Average High Wiz (assumed 99 base dex) can hit 133dex with basic dex gears (AoA, Gloves, Dex Rod) resulting in a cast time of 1.7 seconds.

(1 - 133/150) x 15 Seconds = 1.7 Seconds

If you were to equip one of these Berz cards, you'd lower yourself to 130 dex, on average.

(1 - 130/150) x 15 Seconds = 2 Seconds
(1 - 0.3) x 2 Secs = 1.4 Seconds

If by some chance you were to ever have 2 Berz cards, lets assume 127 dex. S.Gloves, AoA, Dex Rod, job bonuses + 99 base dex

(1 - 127/150) x 15 Sec = 2.3 Secs
(1 - 0.6) x 2.3 sec = 0.92 Second cast time
Compare this to a normal wizard (130 max dex) having a 0.8 cast time on level 1 Storm Gust.

So in conclusion, this shows that this card greatly benefits caster classes. Only when you're reaching around 143 dex with gears will a zerom card give you a faster cast than a Berz card.

Would suff count as cast reduction and stack as such or calculate after all the cast reduc. Since the skill says -45% (i believe?) cast time at level 3, would suff 3 + 2x beelzebub cards = insta cast? Would it be something similar with magic strings too?

Suff is factored in at the very end of the equation. It would not help you receive instant cast. A 149 dex wizard with suff would still have a cast time.

[Golden Fingers]

Unless you have GR, say hi to acid bomb. Otherwise ranked slims, better vit def, higher hp, stun res, and better survivability :O + instacast. hawt. Though having two of those cards...not in this lifetime, even with bubblegum.

I think if you can afford 2x bezeelbub, 2x dark illusion(+sunnes) and dark lord a GR shouldnt be too much problem :)

Still, its always good to have a goal to work towards :p

[Xxelos]

Suff is factored in at the very end of the equation. It would not help you receive instant cast. A 149 dex wizard with suff would still have a cast time.

Yes, but you are comparing the %-reduction of suff with a dex reduction, which we know don't stack. However, this reduction might be done after the equipment %-reduction and dex is factored. Sorta like :
100-30%(Beerzebub) - Dex reduction = cast time - suff/strings = real cast
I don't know if that's how it works, but it's my guess. If you could hit insta-cast with suff and % gear, it would be to easy I think. :P

[Doddler]

Its pretty simple...

Base Skill Cast Time * (1-(Dex/150)) * (sum of all cast reductions) * (suffragium reduction)

[Ares]

@ doddler . nice

[Solarcow105]

Its pretty simple...

Base Skill Cast Time * (1-(Dex/150)) * (sum of all cast reductions) * (suffragium reduction)

Ah thanks for the clarification. Probably should have checked the wiki before i posted

[Rya.Reisender]

I don't think it stacks like that. Two Beelzebub cards will probably stack like that:

100% --(-30%)--> 70% --(-30%)--> 49%