Okay, so about Thor's...

[Ryock]

This is very frustrating to me, but let's talk about Thor's Volcano here. We all know that wearing fire defensive gear is the best way to go, really. Pasana, Alice, Penomena, etc seems to be the way you have to go. I'm at a loss for these cards though. None of them are in my possession, and I'm regretting ever selling that Pasana card I found a year back from the seals quest.

I'm wondering, if you're really careful, and the HP and/or tank have the defensive gears required there, like the above cards, and even Jakk, would it be possible to level there, duo or threesome? Or should I just keep hunting for these cards, and expect no parties there until I find them? Cause after a week or so of hunting Pasanas and Penos, I'm getting very frustrated >.>;

[Nack~]

In my experience of thors so far:( i think you'll get smushed even if the tank/HP is wearing them... fireball hits for splash damage:( However! i wear aqua armour ! if you have over 6k HP and assumptio then you should be okay! On my BP with assumptio and aqua armour i only get hit for 5k with fireball at any given time... You could probably make due with a hell guard until you can get a peno or something! the imps are demon and hey, resistance against 1 monster is better than resistance against none:o With a good priest and tank you should be fine with aqua i reackon!

[Karu the Great]

I am so sick of going there and having people with me not wear ifrit's. A few jobs can get away with Aqua armor, like Nack said, but wizzies aren't one of them. If you have the extremely low HP of a wizzy, you -need- ifrit's hands down. The base damage for splash fire ball (Which WILL hit you, every single time no matter how far away you are) is 25,000 damage. Divide this by 1/2 for assumptio because you are insane if you go here without a high priest for 12500 damage, which easily 1-hit kills even Lv. 90+ of nearly any job, trans or not. Half of that from aqua is still going to one-shot you every single time, or bring you into very low red from energy coat with full SP, and then it'll just splash fireball again and kill you before the priest has time to heal you. Using Ifrit's + assumptio gives you about 3k damage per splash - without +HP armor, non trans wizards are barely able to survive even this without energy coat, which is unreliable because its reduction is based on your current HP.

Basically, don't even think about going here and not dying at least 5 times each single monster from fireball spam unless you have ifrit's and peno (flameguard is also highly recommended, but immune is still good here for surviving a single hit from guardians, if you're lucky, so you can tele).

[Ryock]

*sigh* Well, alright then. *sells Survivor Manteau*. Okay, that should do it X_x

[Teshlin]

Hmm.. my level 90 1 vit wiz could survive the kasa's fireball with ass, aqua, flameguard hood, energy coat, and a cranial valk shield.

[lyly]

I went on my sniper, with my cardset.

Guess what? You don't have to stand in front of Kasas, thus don't need to get hit. Win!

Example:

Kasa is here. Fireball goes out like this < So:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/lylyx/Thorsk.jpg

Either run behind them once they're being tanked of have the tank turn them around.

[Nack~]

As amazingly beautiful as that picture is:( if the fireball hits the tank its still going to splash on the wizzy...=( and in my experience as soon as a kasa sees you it fucking NEEEDS to fireball you.. it just cant help itself it feels the pleasure of the fire and lets it fly! So its a little difficult to do what your saying:(

[lyly]

Not really. Just don't stick to the tanks ass so the kasa doesn't see you first. And make the most of not being a melee and keeping distance.

It works, tried and tested.

[Nack~]

but the splash isnt just forwards its all around, your have to be way away from the tank to do it:( and then you'd be distancing yourself from the party=x so if something spawns next to you or scurries to you your between a rock and a hard place. You cant run to the tank cause the splash will get you there and you cant run away cause the monsters already about to rape you:( it just seems a rather dubious method of leveling:( theres alot that could go wrong:(

[lyly]

We kept a sniper, scholar, hwiz and low leveled HP alive that way whilst a linker tanked. Not once did the damage come back to us, standing behind the kasa. If something spawns on you, you're dead anyway.

[Nack~]

fair doos=o but i still think it sounds a little dubious:(

[lyly]

Don't knock it til you try it. 8D

[Aibo]

Don't forget fireproof pots too. ^^

[Ryock]

Hmmmm, maybe there's hope yet, then >.>;

I'll try this, but I'm not hoping for anything spectacular XD. I guess I should make some fireproofs too just in case. I can afford a Jakk muff at the very least.

[Arlian]

Beat me to it, but yeah, the kasa's firebreath attack (it's not fireball) has a 9x14 cell damage range, so if you stand either behind it, or to its side far enough, it wont hit you. It's not that the damage splashes off of the tank, it's just that the area of effect is very large.

[Bane]

Well, on my 83 hwiz, I'm able to survive a firebreath with some hp left. I wear an aqua and flameguard, and then HP gear (vital survivor/greens), and it lets me live, but yeah, I'd suggest standing behind the kasa no matter what gear you have.. it's just safer

[Ryock]

Well, on my 83 hwiz, I'm able to survive a firebreath with some hp left. I wear an aqua and flameguard, and then HP gear (vital survivor/greens), and it lets me live, but yeah, I'd suggest standing behind the kasa no matter what gear you have.. it's just safer

Do you use Peno at all?

[Pete]

I think thats what flameguard is, Could be wrong though.

[alekth]

flameguard = jakk, in garment, -30% from fire
fire-proof = penomena, in shield, -30% from formless

[Kageno]

if you can't afford those expensive items, use those instead like others said above:
- flameguard muffler
- fireproof potion
- valk shield (expensive but not as much as the alice/peno/pasana card)
- aqua armor

and if you still can't, then make a slave SL linker and get a ka-skill linker to party with you, so he can kaite and kaupe you. that way you are safe from magic attack.

with proper gear, i have seen hwiz who could solo in thor1, using bless/ass scroll and wiz-link+kahii skill.

[Pete]

Oh yeah I was thinking about euRO where its a flameguard guard or something like that :S

[Ryock]

Hmmm... don't really wanna put the money down on a valk shield. Think it might be okay with Aqua, Flameguard, and fireproof?

[Bane]

I actually don't even use peno, I only have a hell guard o.X, I just make sure EC stays on

[alekth]

If you're not into making various guards for the dungeon, don't have peno etc, IMO go with a valk cranial. Is after all something to have for WoE/pvp/labs as well anyway so it's multi-purpose enough, you'll get the 20% fire reduction from the fire attacks, and the 30% demi-human reduction, should a guardian get a hit in.

In the long run should be aiming for an alice valk.

[Ryock]

Bleh, I only got 50 mil at most to spend, and I don't really have a good idea how to make money fast except MVPing Randgris, which I've never actually been given the opportunity to try anyways. I usually just make money off the elu from Magma, which quite obviously will be stopping soon enough.

Anywho, I guess I'll switch between Rigid and Cranial unless people level in the first level of the dungeon, in which case I'll bring Hell and Cranial. Hopefully this works okay. Hmmmm, I guess I got a question. Think it'd be smart to just forget my Surv mant and sell it? It's a +7 one and obviously enough, I won't be using it in Thor's.

[Bane]

It seems like you wouldn't mind selling it, as you've brought it up many times on the forums.. but I wouldn't recommend selling gear from your main char, bad luck always strikes and the price for it blows up right after x.x, I would say make sure you have an ifrit to start, and you'll probably be ok.

[Drako]

The extra HP from the mant might save you.

[Wuwu]

get a priest, hunt pasanas and find a card to put into some armor oO i don't really understand your problem... anubis shouldn't be around yet they all die to low level amped sg and they don't deal that much damage... hell i was tanked by a knight there when i was a 8x wizard without a priest just using some pots and a heal clip... same goes for peno guard or alice guard, penos with pneuma = hi no dmg... alice are non aggro monsters to be found in kiel acadamy

there is absolutely no reason to sell any equip

btw your price policy seems somehow freaky to me oO on euro those cards are 20m max for alice/peno and like 1m for pasana

another idea: do some monster racing or bingo with friends eventually you will end up with 1k medals and then you got your fire spirits armor for about 3-5m zeny

[Nack~]

Lol it seems pretty hit and hope:(

I've been leveling in high orcs since i was a 75 normal priest and i havent found a single high orc or orc archer card in the whole time. Same goes for niff, the only loli ruri card i ever found was with a sniper and he was the one who killed the loli. so i think its a little much to just expect somebody to find a card just like that:(

[Ryock]

get a priest, hunt pasanas and find a card to put into some armor oO i don't really understand your problem... anubis shouldn't be around yet they all die to low level amped sg and they don't deal that much damage... hell i was tanked by a knight there when i was a 8x wizard without a priest just using some pots and a heal clip... same goes for peno guard or alice guard, penos with pneuma = hi no dmg... alice are non aggro monsters to be found in kiel acadamy

there is absolutely no reason to sell any equip

btw your price policy seems somehow freaky to me oO on euro those cards are 20m max for alice/peno and like 1m for pasana

another idea: do some monster racing or bingo with friends eventually you will end up with 1k medals and then you got your fire spirits armor for about 3-5m zeny

Well, I've been hunting the cards (Pasana and Peno) for about a good week now, maybe longer actually, and it's really getting tiring. I can't really stand hunting something for a very long period of time, cause the last online game I played, that's basically all it consisted of, was hunting and hunting and hunting X_x. iRO, especially Loki, has a knack for having very expensive markets >.>;. I don't exactly know many people either as hard as that may be to believe as a Wizard; and those that I do know want to sell the card and split the profit, so I'm better off hunting solo.

But as a sidenote, I tried Thor's, and I can barely survive X_X. I didn't use any proofs either XD. Survive with about 500 HP, which is usually enough time to get healed. Our party was terrible though, with 5 people and one leecher, so I don't really wanna count that one, until I try a duo party.

[Wuwu]

even then you could buy it yourself for HALF the price and i doubt it costs 100m oO

another option is not to duo there but to take either a pally or crusi with you that has devotion and is at the lower end of your share range, so he will profit regardless if he dies two or three times

makes leveling much safer and more fun cause you have more partners to chat/talk to

[Ryock]

Well, as irony would have it, as much as I did not say I wanted to hunt, I seem to have found my Penomena card O_oa. Even more ironic, the online game I was talking about previously, I used a skin from that game and only ten mins later, find this little baby XD. Now, I just need the Pasana >.>;. Oh, Wuwu, Pasana atm go for about 30-50 mil. While normally that'd be fine, since I have about 50 mil on hand, I sorta am a guild leader, so I support my members and need a small income to help them XD. Which usually means about 10-20 mil at least on hand at all times in my case.

But this inspires me to continue hunting my Pasana now =P

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a330/SageRyock/screenLoki811.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a330/SageRyock/screenLoki812.jpg

[Wuwu]

then i would really recommend either bingo or monster race as guild events, eventually all of you will have a slotted elemental armor then and cause of so many playing it won't get that boring ;)

grats on your peno card!

ahhh kiel quest could be another idea, dunno how the price for ocas is on iro so either to sell or open them ;)

[WK]

btw your price policy seems somehow freaky to me oO on euro those cards are 20m max for alice/peno and like 1m for pasanaI don't think euRO has 11.2 yet? It wasn't THIS bad until the patch rolled around.

[Karu the Great]

I knew the game you were talking about was phantasy star online

[Ryock]

Oh Kiel... oh that Kiel XD. I remember when I went through that with my HWiz. That was hilarious trying to help a Crusader, Thief(perma), and Rogue through it. Eventually, we all decided to open our OCAs. I ended up getting a Savage card >>;. I think the Rogue got a Swordfish, and the Thief got a Lunatic... I think... don't remember what the Crusader got =/. But all I need is the Valk shield now =D.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a330/SageRyock/screenLoki816.jpg

[Bakeman]

Grats on the cards! i Just need a peno card myself :>!

[Bane]

:(, you lucky kids, I've been hunting those cards on and off for about two weeks, and of course as soon as I offer to slave someone on my priest at magma.. I get a card~~ Explosion ftw

[Wuwu]

grats ;) i told you to hunt for them :P

[Bakeman]

Ryock, now that you got your gears... after you go there tell me how it goes.

[Ryock]

Ryock, now that you got your gears... after you go there tell me how it goes.

*nod nod* I shall =D

[Ryock]

Okay! I tried it duoing. Proud to see only 7xx-9xx damage coming off Fireball now, and could probably drop the Jakk muff now. Anyways, the duo did not work too great. Exp was slower than Magma since our killing speed was rather slow, and we died lots of times (damn guardians). However, I think it will work a LOT better with a tank included to the mix. If a tank is included to the mix, I believe the exp will be very nice, and will be a fast party.

The problem isn't so much the fire anymore, as it is the guardians and Spiral from Kasas. Cause God knows, without my Surv mant, and Cranial, I'm not surviving that Boomerang, and there's no time to switch, cause as soon as the thing sees you, it deems it necessary to spear you IMMEDIATELY.

When we got mobbed by accident, we had to fwing, or one of us usually died. However, previous parties prove that having a tank will in fact make it go much faster, and I expect the party to do very good.

All in all, I wouldn't recommend HWs here unless the some of the following apply.

General
- Rod of Piercing preferred (not available till next update unfortunately -_-)
- Full INT gear. These parties were done with 133 INT, and Kasas died in two amped SGs if two or three of the hits were lexed.
- Should be level 80+, maybe 85+.

Duoing
- You are in your high 90's.
- The HP is also in their high 90's.
- Have to be very slow and careful. Think hugging the walls. Might be able to drop Jakk for Surv Mant or Immune Muff if equipping valk peno and Ifrit armor.

HW, HP, Tank
- More wall hugging.
- Paladin preferred. May be possible with Crusader. LK works good.

In the end, we lost a lot of exp. Started at 79.0%, after one hour, I ended up with 75.8% with 5-7 deaths. It's doable, but difficult.

[Bakeman]

Ah D:!

[Bakeman]

AH ok Thanks for the Tips!

[warok]

i've gone to lvl 3 as well
slightly larger party
pally tank - wore perfect dodge gear for sal and swordies
HP
bard
scholar
and my hwiz

i ran it at 118 int(i'm only 93 still getting int)

salamanders died to 2 amp sg or so and but kasas to 3-4
and extra killer would make kasa die in 2-3 amp sg
the group actually said we liked salamander more than kasa, by the time he gets 2hq off its dead in 2 more sg hits. i think we mobbed about 3-4 monsters max.

ok random comments in no order.
i agree with nearly everything ryrock said in this thread.
fiber lock owns swordies.
bleeding is really annoying.
byrogue is weak till it summons.
saw ifrit, i missed a screenie.
my hwiz ran thru sp like mad. probally asked for sp 2x more than anyone else.
i wish i had staff of piercing to kill kasa better.
swordie does 7k spear boom to my hwiz without ass but cranial on. = dead hwiz
the giant fwing RTM item is leet here. saved us each time we needed it.
there seems to be a couple semi-instant spawn kasa and salamanders. we probally killed 4 in a row then it disappeared. it was weird. different spots on the map.

lastly, if anyone on the iris server (LOL) wants to join us pm one of my chars. we start around 10 pm EST.