Tkm Videos.

[Hankie Pankie]

MvP'ing, leveling, whatever. Tkms are fucking amazing. Show everyone what yours can do.

Here we see mine solo'ing without anyone in party. (For those of you who don't know, kihop level 5 adds 10% damage per person in party, so those giant parties give a massive attack boost, and just one person in party gives me 3.1k hits.)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vuTbnWq_fbI

Enjoy. Sorry for the shitty quality. T_T

[Reiz]

thanks for posting this! :D i cant wait til i finish getting my tk to tkm now :]]

[Hankie Pankie]

Moony to come when I can actually get a priest. To paranoid to solo her with fraps up.

[Solarcow105]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm0z1WOm2FI

My agi TKM, first vid so kinda long with shitty quality as well. I tried :(.

Agi TKM + Battol linker, married with linker buffs on the TKM. Both were kinda low level (low 60s i think) and was just kinda fun to mob up the map and use tornado.

Edit:
Filefront link too, if you want to d/l and not use youtube. http://files.filefront.com/TKMFinal2avi/;8716218;/fileinfo.html

[Hankie Pankie]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1l0CEe2QyLA

If I want to post the movie itself, do I just wrap the youtube thinger around it? Anyways, sup moony.

[Boom]

That's awesome, lol. How many whites did you use in the Thor's video? The number on your hotkey bar is too fuzzy for my eyes ):

[Hankie Pankie]

40~50 I think. It's usually like, 5~10 per kasa.

[Chunkee]

Cool videos Hankie Pankie. What book were you using? Triple carded Abbysmal or a 2-1 racial-element/size carded book?

[Senzafine]

And where's your equipment to not to go down with 1 fireball? I guess pasana or elemental armor, but in the garment or so?

[Focused]

jakk card in garmet

[not fat bard]

http://files.filefront.com/112irolokiwmv/;8648021;/fileinfo.html

here's poMzopjopfje!yer on my TKM killing ifrit

[Alaskan]

This is a movie I made long ago. Way before TKMs really started heating up the MVP scene. Pun intended.

Alaskan Footjob - Killing Mistress (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v670/rockdudezach/?action=view&current=Killing_Mistress.flv)

[Solarcow105]

http://files.filefront.com/112irolokiwmv/;8648021;/fileinfo.html

here's poMzopjopfje!yer on my TKM killing ifrit

Nice vid. What was the song in the begging of the vid?


This is a movie I made long ago. Way before TKMs really started heating up the MVP scene. Pun intended.

Alaskan Footjob - Killing Mistress (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v670/rockdudezach/?action=view&current=Killing_Mistress.flv)


Agi TKM? Does the flee help? And can you hit missy without union? nice vid too btw.

[Senzafine]

Awesome, both

[massie]

Funny, I can't pot against union while killing the mvp. I think I need more practice in it =(. Of course I want to know too what weapon you are waring there =)

[Forgottenesper]

Nice vid. What was the song in the begging of the vid?

Did a google search on some of the lyrics:

Running Up That Hill - Hounds of Love

[night_knight]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vuTbnWq_fbI
Including the time you spend getting buffs/resting at an inn, you should be getting close to... 20 mil exp/hour?

[Hankie Pankie]

Around that.

[Asthurias]

Including the time you spend getting buffs/resting at an inn, you should be getting close to... 20 mil exp/hour?

Thats on Stellar day, right?

[Hankie Pankie]

Wrong.

[not fat bard]

20m/hr is like normal rate you can get liek 30m/hr on stellar days I think. With the xp event I'm getting almost 40m and I'm not even good at the Thor's leveling thing. I'm sure Hankie is better so he can probably get a faster rate.

[Hankie Pankie]

The highest I hit today was 65 an hour (did all of 97 and 15% to 98 in an hour), but that was when it finally calmed down and the last hour of my stellar day + a bm. I'm sure you do just as well, if not better; you'd be surprised how second rate my gears are. =P

[Hankie Pankie]

My 99'ing.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fw9fdVmPlSo

[not fat bard]

yo my tkm gears sux too since it's not my main, i wasn't ever able to get more than liek 40m/hr on my stellar day because I suck at avoiding spear boom . :( I just use tkm to leech people now don't really want to 99 it anytime soon. Much rather make another one cause female ones are so kawiaiziia!I!!_~*~&~*~&

[Hankie Pankie]

I 99'd simply because I had planned on doing this for a few months, and it actually worked exactly like I planned. Not to mention because I wanted to be if not the first, one of the first 99 tkms from thors on chaos. =P

[not fat bard]

grats on 99, your method is very efficient, and a heat build vs an abyss kicker build a heat build has more uses other than leveling I think.

[WK]

Hey Sly, I've been wondering. Not to one-up you or anything. But remember our talk about hydro? And how you thought it was totally non-legit because Gravity nerfed it next patch for being uber exp? Well guess what, Kasas get reflect too next patch, so a TKM will die on every kill. It's simply not out-potable. So does this mean your current leveling method is deemed unlegit (is that even a word?) in Gravity's eyes for being uber exp? Or was it just tracy swaying your mind about stuff and you repeating every word of her's like a zealot about hydro?

[Hankie Pankie]

That's not why I thought it was lame wk, you remember our talk I'm sure. It was shortly before I quit (for like the 5th time)! I felt it was lame because people who did nothing, not even pay for leeches, would simply sit in with the party and leech to 99 in a few hours. Though this is fast, it's no hydro. It's not as cheap or as easy to do either.

Though I figured at some point I'd get this from you lolz, all I've got to say is honestly, I don't really care to much anymore. Back when hydro annoyed me, I was on my first trans. Grinded all the way on sleepers! Remember how I admitted it was partically jealously turned bitterness that prevented me from hydro'ing myself? Oh and, reflect doesn't effect heat btw. Thanks to Mint for pointing this out. (Proven too, I kill salamanders now.)

Oh, and Tracy hydro'd but once or twice, and not for all that much net xp either. She honestly didn't like it simply because she hated sitting around spamming heal. Remember why she stopped going? Fyi, this is the girl I can't even get to make her tkm for thors. You know just as well as I that if she doesn't agree with something, she won't do it.

*Edit* Read the last part wrong. *Just woke up* Tracy mostly didn't like hydro because I'd constantly bitch to her about it, on top of her disliking doing pretty much nothing but heal spammage for hours on end. She DID infact hydro once or twice, I can't say the same now can I? If anyone swayed anyone on the whole hydro bs my friend, it was me on her. :v

[WK]

Oh and, reflect doesn't effect heat btw. Thanks to Mint for pointing this out. (Proven too, I kill salamanders now.)Oh it doesn't? Totally BS that they add it to Kasas then. Unless the behavior changes in the future.

It's not as cheap or as easy to do either.It seemed surprisingly easy from your vids. And what's 5k, a bwing, a bgem and a few whites every 10 monsters. :F

[Hankie Pankie]

1.3~1.5k pots an hour. It's not overly pricey, but still, not free. And yeah, unless they change SR and make it reflect heat damage, it won't be anything but a *Minor* annoyance with flying kick. It being easy is a matter of opinion, it's certainly harder than sitting tanking a hydro with some people healing it + leechers. Either way, are you still in mael wk? D: I haven't seen you on yet.

[Doddler]

My 99'ing.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fw9fdVmPlSo

I am curious, the description for union specifically states that if you attack below 20% HP you die instantly, but you drop to almost no HP a few times. Is the description wrong?

And heat isn't blocked by reflect shield? That is certainly interesting, because mechanics wise (heat counts as a regular, physical attack), the damage should be reflectable. Salamanders don't always have shield reflect up though, but you have killed one that you saw activate the skill? I saw pom drop instantly when trying to kill a salamander once or twice, which is why I ask.

[Foul Play]

I am curious, the description for union specifically states that if you attack below 20% HP you die instantly, but you drop to almost no HP a few times. Is the description wrong?

And heat isn't blocked by reflect shield? That is certainly interesting, because mechanics wise (heat counts as a regular, physical attack), the damage should be reflectable. Salamanders don't always have shield reflect up though, but you have killed one that you saw activate the skill? I saw pom drop instantly when trying to kill a salamander once or twice, which is why I ask.
that only relates to pvp i thought?

[Hankie Pankie]

I am curious, the description for union specifically states that if you attack below 20% HP you die instantly, but you drop to almost no HP a few times. Is the description wrong?

And heat isn't blocked by reflect shield? That is certainly interesting, because mechanics wise (heat counts as a regular, physical attack), the damage should be reflectable. Salamanders don't always have shield reflect up though, but you have killed one that you saw activate the skill? I saw pom drop instantly when trying to kill a salamander once or twice, which is why I ask.


On the heat+union subject, if you attack (or a monster runs into you) while you're under 20% HP, you will in fact instantly die. What you saw during my videos was me initiating the attack with HP > 20%, killing the monster, then taking it's dying attack, which often black bars me.

On the reflect stuffs, I was under that impression for awhile too, until mint posted the topic saying otherwise. From then, I tested it on a sword guardian (takes around 3 seconds to kill), salamander (saw it reflect first), and on a salamander I'm fairly sure had not casted reflect yet.

I took no addition damage past the union+heat, and even that alone is hard to out pot on stuff that takes over a second to kill. I can't fathom out potting against my own reflected damage on top of the union damage. Good thing I don't have too. =P

As for pom dropping to a salamander, I wait for them to start casting fireball before I attack. The moment they cast, they don't seem to physically attack, and by the time they're set to take a chomp, they've already died. Though, if I mis time it and they get a hit in, 70% of the time I drop.

[Swift_Arrow]

that only relates to pvp i thought?

No it works for pvm too. But its weird itd be times when i drop to double digit hp and still live, and other where i actually die once i drop below 20%. Maybe it means drop below 20% by cause of the skill itself rather than taking damage?

[WK]

Either way, are you still in mael wk? D: I haven't seen you on yet.http://ropd.somatika.net/?account=147283&dir=asc
Been playing my new HP lately, but still on scholar for siege.


Not to be a doomsayer, but judging from a video and the fact that they added reflect to Kasa, from which I saw in another video the leeching area in thor1 got completely empty in kRO, I'm inclined to believe that it will indeed change in the future. The other video being a champ+HP leveling with osi clip, which I've tested the first day we got thor's and came to the conclusion that it yields absolutely no exp. But that's another story.

[Hankie Pankie]

From what I've seen and herd from kro, this was never a very popular method to being with. Though I actually have someone I'm talking to now saying they're having a problem with heat down there, and he's from kro, so maybe something up, but it doesn't appear to be from SR. More info would be lovely. =[

[Hankie Pankie]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mIbBD2wb0Ec

Shitty little video I made when I was bored and felt like taking my new tkm down to thors.

[Kratos]

My TKM doing Valk in 3 seconds @ bRO (2 Thor Belts + Abysmal Knight Book + 2x Atk)

http://www.sendspace.com/file/sfrqan (http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=TkBcHpbv5Ag)

Translation: (Texts in portuguese)

00:01 : Valkyrie Randgris em 3 segundos = Valkyrie Randgris in 3 seconds
00:36: Mais rápido que meu lag = Faster than my lag

Unfortunately the cameraman was very lagged, but damages of 20~21k are cleary seen in video =D.

[Bass]

That's nasty x_x

[Dante]

I can see why TKMs using Heat in Union state don't have serious troubles in killing Kasas with decent equip and basic buffs. Kasa only got 80k HP, if the TKM is doing 3k-ish dmg/hit, it would only take approximately 54% MHP dan 54 SP for 1 Kasa. That does come in sense.

Now how about Skeggiold? Assuming you can *only* do 3k-ish damage/hit, that would require about 2 secs to kill it, meaning you'll have about 200% of your MHP slapped back into your face every Skeggiold you attempt to kill. Does it mean you can't 'solo' [reloading only when buff runs out, like in Thor1] in Odin3? Not to mention that it might come with its slaves, thus making the job even harder. Any spesific strategy for that? Since we're still *at least* 4-5 months away from 11.2 Veins, Odin3 might be the only option we have for TKM levelling.

Then how about bio3? Bio3's monsters have high exp:hp ratio despite their devastating attack power. Assuming the TKM has someone tanking the lab monsters for him/her, is bio3 levelling doable? Thanks for your answer.

[Lupus]

Galions is another option for Heat TKMs.

[Jettie]

The sad thing about heat is that it puts LVL 255 FRENZIED LK WITH 200+ ATTACK SPEED on pservers to shame. How is it something on an official server makes the stupid stuff you only saw on pservers look not so bad comparatively? This is like the infinite-bolt bug on homunculus, except its even worse.

I mean, deck out an mvp char with dual megs and specialized AK weapons and battle chant with double attack and stats VERSUS 99 TKM made in a day with so-so gears... TKM wins? :omg: Something not right..

I dont really think people should put too much effort into these things, nerf is coming, its gotta come this is crazy. :wah:

[Dante]

First of all, you can't get 200+ ASPD. the maximum is 200, and in most servers, it is capped in 190. So, I guess even pservers can't get more than 190 ASPD.

TKMs are insanely overpowered when it comes to ONE specialized MVP [set opposition] in ONE particular map. One TKM could only memo 3 maps to use Heat, and only one MVP can be assigned as Stellar Opposition, assuming all MVPs you want to kill is large-sized [let us exclude likes of Missy, bio3, and Doppy for now]. That's a reasonable price to pay for its insane damage output, imo. I mean, look, with Biochemist you could just AB Valk for 40k-ish damage [even at the end you lose to TKM] to death and still doing that good to likes of Paraoh, OL, Doppelgangger, bio3 MVPs, you name it, many more.

On the other hand, the TKM who beats shit all of you in Odin3 can't do even a thing outside of 3 maps he/she has memo'ed. So, it's sort of being overpowered in sacrifice of flexibility, that's first. Nearly one TKM for one specialized MVP, and nobody's going to fuck with lesser MVPs with their TKM, instead they're all aiming for hi-end ones, that's second. Also take into consideration that without proper setup and formation, you'll have problems in keeping up the Heat TKM in Union state.

[Boom]

^I was typing out a post like that.

[Jettie]

What is all this justification for something that can do 1mil+ damage per second? Oh no you cant just make an account with a few 99 TKMs, 1 mvp each? Oh no it'll take a month or two and you can have a TKM for most any mvp worth doing, hell I'm sure people share accounts anyway, "yo can I use your ifirit tkm? Ill let you use my valk one in exchange."

This is far beyond rediculous. I remember people justifying the infinite-bolt on vanilmirths too...

And about the pserver stuff, you CAN get above 190 attack speed on most servers out there, just take a look on youtube (I'd post some examples but I dont know the rules reguarding that here), theres video after video of people with maxed stats chars doing insane damage on things on modified servers, yet this heat bug still makes most of them look weak in comparison.

In conclusion... heat = private server level sh!t imo. It's a bug for christ sakes stop defending it. I'm not saying its not cool, but something so broken cant stay around forever. People will have their fun with it, the coders at gravity will find a fix for it, and people will have stacks of useless 99 TKMs laying around.

[Tequila Sunrise]

Stop whining.

[Hankie Pankie]

What is all this justification for something that can do 1mil+ damage per second? Oh no you cant just make an account with a few 99 TKMs, 1 mvp each? Oh no it'll take a month or two and you can have a TKM for most any mvp worth doing, hell I'm sure people share accounts anyway, "yo can I use your ifirit tkm? Ill let you use my valk one in exchange."

This is far beyond rediculous. I remember people justifying the infinite-bolt on vanilmirths too...

And about the pserver stuff, you CAN get above 190 attack speed on most servers out there, just take a look on youtube (I'd post some examples but I dont know the rules reguarding that here), theres video after video of people with maxed stats chars doing insane damage on things on modified servers, yet this heat bug still makes most of them look weak in comparison.

In conclusion... heat = private server level sh!t imo. It's a bug for christ sakes stop defending it. I'm not saying its not cool, but something so broken cant stay around forever. People will have their fun with it, the coders at gravity will find a fix for it, and people will have stacks of useless 99 TKMs laying around.

QQ and go back to your pservers you apparently adore so much. FFS, you obviously don't understand to much about tkms, so gtfo the section please.

[Souryuu]

What is all this justification for something that can do 1mil+ damage per second? Oh no you cant just make an account with a few 99 TKMs, 1 mvp each? Oh no it'll take a month or two and you can have a TKM for most any mvp worth doing, hell I'm sure people share accounts anyway, "yo can I use your ifirit tkm? Ill let you use my valk one in exchange."

This is far beyond rediculous. I remember people justifying the infinite-bolt on vanilmirths too...

And about the pserver stuff, you CAN get above 190 attack speed on most servers out there, just take a look on youtube (I'd post some examples but I dont know the rules reguarding that here), theres video after video of people with maxed stats chars doing insane damage on things on modified servers, yet this heat bug still makes most of them look weak in comparison.

In conclusion... heat = private server level sh!t imo. It's a bug for christ sakes stop defending it. I'm not saying its not cool, but something so broken cant stay around forever. People will have their fun with it, the coders at gravity will find a fix for it, and people will have stacks of useless 99 TKMs laying around.

Remember back in the day when everyone bitched and said hunters were overpowered? OMG NERF DS!!11!

If you can't beat one, make one.

[Jettie]

QQ and go back to your pservers you apparently adore so much. FFS, you obviously don't understand to much about tkms, so gtfo the section please.

What exactly dont I understand about TKMs? You really dont think they're gonna get nerfed, I just find it funny people are going crazy over this shit when its gonna get nerfed in the future. And I used pservers as an example because thats just how f-ed up this shit is, where did I say I "adored" them, I dont like that they are pretty much RO with godmode turned on. Have fun with your useless chars once they fix it I guess.:confused:

People find bug -> people use bug -> bug gets fixed. Its happened so many times before why is this time so different?

[Hankie Pankie]

Because it's not a bug? Have fun being ignorant though!

[Jettie]

This skill is only enabled in Lunar areas. Inflict damage, drain 2 SP and push back monsters around the caster. On other players, this skill will only have the push back effect and continuously drain SP.


Where exactly does it say "completely massacre boss property monsters because they cannot be pushed back." If this is intended then this game is f-ing retarded.:wah:


From the recent update: "The VIT of most Boss monsters has been reduced to 30 to prevent them from getting massacred by the Acid Bomb skill, and the Max HP of some Boss monsters have been doubled so that they will no longer be easy prey in short raids." SHORT RAIDS, MASSACRED, they lowered vit to make the MVPs HARDER. They did something so that acid bomb would no longer be so powerful to mvps, why do you think heat is gonna stay the same, youre delusional, have fun while it lasts. :rolleyes:

[Accidents]

Oh well too bad TKMs are gonna get nerfed. Go somewhere else where people care please.

[Alaskan]

It's like another LoD, or a Hydro thing for EXP. Abuse it till it is "nerfed" and have all and any charatcers you wanted. You snooze, you lose.

My TKM isnt doing to well because I have a +5 Double Flammable Bible I bought for like... 500k way back. Gear wise not too bad. ...and it's a AGI/VIT build, being a guild leader.

ON TOPIC :
I would make a video of my TKM killing Vesper, but he has level 10 Shadow. Too hard too see.

[Dante]

What is all this justification for something that can do 1mil+ damage per second?

What's so taboo about 1 mill damage? And I guess you haven't read most of threads about TKMs yet. You CAN'T reach 1 mil dmg/sec without megs. Well actually, I believe Doddler said something about the possibility of doing it without megs, but I suppose you require double random-buff from BC: ATK x2 and all stat+20. Making things short, having megs is much simpler way if you want 1 mil dmg/sec. You can't just sit there waiting for 2x atk buff while Ifrit is doing 'LOLOLOL I'M GOING TO TAKE YOUR SORRY PAL AND CHAMP DOWN REALLY SOON XD'. And you expect 279123120312123312 TKMs out there having 2 megs each so Ifrit/Valk down in half a sec?

Oh no you cant just make an account with a few 99 TKMs, 1 mvp each? Oh no it'll take a month or two and you can have a TKM for most any mvp worth doing, hell I'm sure people share accounts anyway, "yo can I use your ifirit tkm? Ill let you use my valk one in exchange."

This is far beyond rediculous. I remember people justifying the infinite-bolt on vanilmirths too...

You made it sounds so easy. What's the point of making TKM for Ifrit if in the end you always let your friend use it? Alright, you can make 99 within 3 days. Multiply it with the numbers of all MVPs in Midgard, and good luck in making 127312380 IDs and 232342342 TKMs for that, if being superior to all MVPs means alot for you. Oh, and is it going to be something like this:

lolnoobpriest : moonie 5 mins
lolhaxTKM01 : ah! wait, forgot which ID I put my lolhaxTKM11 into. And when I've found it, gimme 10 mins to equip the two mags so I could go lolridicilous 1mill dmg/sec XD .... wait. oh my god, where did I put my megs? /omg


And about the pserver stuff, you CAN get above 190 attack speed on most servers out there, just take a look on youtube (I'd post some examples but I dont know the rules reguarding that here), theres video after video of people with maxed stats chars doing insane damage on things on modified servers, yet this heat bug still makes most of them look weak in comparison.

Like I care about pservers. Why don't just go straight in 'wtf Heat puts even GM's command list into shame'.


In conclusion... heat = private server level sh!t imo. It's a bug for christ sakes stop defending it. I'm not saying its not cool, but something so broken cant stay around forever. People will have their fun with it, the coders at gravity will find a fix for it, and people will have stacks of useless 99 TKMs laying around.

Ganbatein stops Heat and LP prevents it, tho some guys say there's a work around for it. Why are you so sure about TKM being nerfed? Are you one for Gravity's development team member? Remember, it's TAEKWON Master, even if it SHOULD be nerfed, I doubt those Koreans would do that :p

[Tequila Sunrise]

@Jettie :
I hope you do know that a major part of people making a Tkm doesn't give a shit about their Tkm rite? So if one day they get "nerfed", believe me, people won't cry for having a Tkm on their account.

[Hankie Pankie]

I love how he mentions the vit nerf as if it actually benifits tkms. Hi dumbass, there is such a thing as union. ^o^

[Kratos]

Jesus Christ, Heat with no knockback IS NOT A BUG. It´s supposed to work this way.

[Jettie]

http://files.filefront.com/littleleaguewmv/;8769556;/fileinfo.html

Here's a vid by the p0m krew. Makin quick work of that pansy ifirit! :o

And about the ME thing you can just activate heat and flying kick into the mvp and it bypasses it. Theres a video somewhere of it being done.

[zero]

Remember, it's TAEKWON Master, even if it SHOULD be nerfed, I doubt those Koreans would do that :p

Gravity has Korean Pride !!! :heh:

my TKM. . .
http://files.filefront.com/Thorswmv/;8769328;/fileinfo.html

[Simple.]

http://files.filefront.com/littleleaguewmv/;8769556;/fileinfo.html

Here's a vid by the p0m krew. Makin quick work of that pansy ifirit! :o

And about the ME thing you can just activate heat and flying kick into the mvp and it bypasses it. Theres a video somewhere of it being done.
Haha, that was such sick ownage.

[Ultimate]

Gravity has Korean Pride !!! :heh:

my TKM. . .
http://files.filefront.com/Thorswmv/;8769328;/fileinfo.html

hehe nice! what song?

[Hankie Pankie]

hehe nice! what song?

Sell me your anti magic sunnies. Y_Y

[Ultimate]

Sell me your anti magic sunnies. Y_Y
Anti-Magic sunnies? I dont have O.o

[Hankie Pankie]

o: Was that a priest in your party casting gloria then?

*Edit* Duh, forgot about slotted MG's. xD So used to everyone having the kafra one ;P

[zero]

acutally, it's antimagic sunnies. . .I'm just using the kafra MG instead for now because I was too cheap to get different headgear for now. The character is only a few days old.

[Hankie Pankie]

My bad, quoted the wrong person, either way, sell me them. >:!

[Asthurias]

Galions is another option for Heat TKMs.

Whats the average exp rate for Galion heat lvling?

[Renouille]

I think this shows that everyone who's complaining about TKMs being overpowered should really be complaining about champs instead:
http://coral.spaceindustries.net/scrap/nerfchamps.png

[Rulas]

I do not think its a good comparassion, in my opinion you can not lvl that fast using asura, also, with asura requirements i do not think you can go asura everything since 5x, not sure, i am just a newbi.

I think TKM are overpowered and gravity did not see what was possible to do with them but i can not deny that for me it seems really wrong to be able to kill mosters that gives half exp than bio3 monster with a 5x character, also, the fact that you can leech a character there from 4x?, 5x? to 99 trans that fast, its like.... wrong?

Anyway, like i always say, you have some options, quit the game because you do not like its mechanics, live with it, or just create a TKM and go do the same until gravity realize its not good and fix the thing.

[Simple.]

I think this shows that everyone who's complaining about TKMs being overpowered should really be complaining about champs instead: -snip-
I think it's badass what little TKMs can do flying across the screen kicking shit in the nuts, and I'm all for doing it, but that's not that great of a comparison.

How hard is it to get a TKM to Thor ownage level? Now compare that to how hard it is to 99 a monk and get your champ up enough to do that kind of damage on Ifrit. One takes what, the better part of a day, the other can take quite a bit longer.

[not fat bard]

Nerf Champs, They have been overpowered since the gfist relog days. I for one am tired of it. Buff TkM, should make it so the party members don' thave to be on the same map to get the kihop bonus.

[Hankie Pankie]

Nerf Champs, They have been overpowered since the gfist relog days. I for one am tired of it. Buff TkM, should make it so the party members don' thave to be on the same map to get the kihop bonus.

Quoted for epic win. Tkm maybe overpowered in some aspects, but DB one in south pront sometime. Tell me how overpowered it is then.

[neokenshin]

I think this shows that everyone who's complaining about TKMs being overpowered should really be complaining about champs instead:
http://coral.spaceindustries.net/scrap/nerfchamps.png

Just to ask, what gears are on this Champion? Even a 99/70 Champ with full Asura Gear, 2 Megingjards, Double Attack, All Stats could only top out at 1 Mil Damage. There's no way to go past 1,000,000 damage unless iRO has taken off the limiter on the max damage.

[Sora`]

Obviously champs are more overpowered because if you have 99int, 2 megs, Lady Tanee shoes and couple more billion zeny worth of gears that this is possible.....

Oh wait, a TKM w/o any god items has a good chance at outmvping this champ because you'll be waiting so long for buffs and needing MC, strings, gypsies kiss etc while a tkm only needs pots and a link.

I think asura is the only skill that can register over 1billion damage, however it only shows the damage as 999,999,999 (A champ from EuRO 1shotted Amon Ra but did this).

[Foul Play]

Obviously champs are more overpowered because if you have 99int, 2 megs, Lady Tanee shoes and couple more billion zeny worth of gears that this is possible.....

Oh wait, a TKM w/o any god items has a good chance at outmvping this champ because you'll be waiting so long for buffs and needing MC, strings, gypsies kiss etc while a tkm only needs pots and a link.

I think asura is the only skill that can register over 1billion damage, however it only shows the damage as 999,999 (A champ from EuRO 1shotted Amon Ra but did this).
fixed.

[Renouille]

It was a tongue-in-cheek comparison whose only purpose was to make people think. I never actually intended to prove that champs were "overpowered" so I'm surprised anyone took it seriously. Nevertheless the replies intrigued me because they seemed to ignore some inconvenient little facts that have been brought up time and again (so in pointing out the obvious deficiencies of my frivolous claim, you committed the same mistakes yourselves :dum:). To keep things interesting, I won't tell you what they are, as anyone who's been following the thread this long should know already... and if you still can't figure them out, shame on you! :(

Obviously champs are more overpowered because if you have 99int, 2 megs, Lady Tanee shoes and couple more billion zeny worth of gears that this is possible.....

Oh wait, a TKM w/o any god items has a good chance at outmvping this champ because you'll be waiting so long for buffs and needing MC, strings, gypsies kiss etc while a tkm only needs pots and a link.

I think asura is the only skill that can register over 1billion damage, however it only shows the damage as 999,999,999 (A champ from EuRO 1shotted Amon Ra but did this).
Thanks, I knew I forgot something. Average damage goes up to 2.44m with lady tanee shoes. :o

You talk as if MC, strings, and gypsy's kiss are hard to obtain... I beg to differ. (A TKM needs 11 other people in the party to reach full potential. Do you really expect to convince me that a champ in a similarly sized party can't find one minstrel or gypsy, one strings bard, and one GK dancer?)

The only buff you have to wait for is BC, but that applies to TKMs as well. Further, the champ in my example benefits less from BC than any TKM would--meaning the champ's advantage would increase if you took away BC from both of them.

[not fat bard]

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[WK]

I think asura is the only skill that can register over 1billion damage, however it only shows the damage as 999,999,999 (A champ from EuRO 1shotted Amon Ra but did this).The max damage the game shows is 999,999, and Amon Ra has only 1.2m hp, not a billion.

There's no way to go past 1,000,000 damage unless iRO has taken off the limiter on the max damage.There is no conceivable limit to Asura's max damage (a GM on sakray 3x fisted ifrit without lex).

[Tequila Sunrise]

Whats the average exp rate for Galion heat lvling?

Non Lunar days 4mil/hour.
If you got a Sin friend mobbing for you, on lunar days you can reach 10m/h, all those rate are Bmanual excluded.

[Dante]

How many Galions you can take on one single mob? I guess Heating many targets at the same time in Union state would simply drop your TKM real fast, no?

[Asthurias]

Non Lunar days 4mil/hour.
If you got a Sin friend mobbing for you, on lunar days you can reach 10m/h, all those rate are Bmanual excluded.

Can you share how you lvl in that map to get that much?

[Tequila Sunrise]

Solo just wing aroung, Heat and Fly Kick etc...
Bwing back to Inn when your sp are down.
With friend mobbing same thing, wait for him to gather good mob, wing to him and kill the shit, that's all.

And @Dante: Why Union for Galions lol.

[Shadow of Light]

looking this videos makes me very happy about my TKM :) thanks for all the videos posted here.

only one question... leveling in galion, what is better? use sp itens or go into an tavern and go back to galion? if is tavern, go back with warp portal? because i don't think this works for me =P

[metatron]

Tavern will be cheaper...but you can just regen it if you really want to save money, you will still get like 2mil exp an hour.

[Shadow of Light]

Tavern will be cheaper...but you can just regen it if you really want to save money, you will still get like 2mil exp an hour.

thanks!

i don't do in tavern because i don't have one friend to use warp portal and buffs for me =P