View Full Version : Question on Stalker Guild Leader build...
Valdrik
10-04-2007, 07:41 PM
Which is better:
(buffs and equip included)
An Str Stalker with 110str, 70vit, 80dex, rest on agi
Planning on using a +10 DB B Saber
Dex stalker with 130dex, 70vit, 3x int, rest on agi
Using a bow here...
or
Int stalker with 130dex, 60vit, rest on int.
Please, advice.
Note: I am a complete noob with stalkers, so any leveling helps, ideas, so on and so forth would REALLY help as well.
120 dex, Sign, No dex gear Stalker. 80 Vit ish. Apply the stats wherever you want. Get some str too for carry weight.
Pantsu
10-04-2007, 10:49 PM
This is the rare situation I would say dex/vit stalker for pure recalling. The high dex is nice for stealthing. Either way would work out well if you know how to play the character, but a pure recaller would want high dex.
Valdrik
10-05-2007, 12:18 AM
Oh, man. So guild leader stalkers are supposed to be built more differently than regular stalkers? Jesus, I am worse than I thought. lol
Alright, this is what I have come up with so far. This is with buffs, without stats from equipment, although I am counting priest buff:
Str - 21+19 (for pots)
Agi - 60 + 24 (For leveling?)
Vit - 76+4 (as someone recommended)
Int - 1+13 (I figured I didn't need much of this)
Dex - 98+22 (120)
I guess I'll be Bowling Bashing things for levels, using bows.
Sound good?
Drop the agi completely, and put the points in str, or int.
Stealth sucks a lot of sp in siege.
Valdrik
10-05-2007, 12:34 AM
How about 70vit, 84int, 29str? o.o
Swifthand
10-05-2007, 01:17 AM
All leads in this thread are correct. A "Guild Leader Build" is different from a normal "Functionally Awesome Build". Guild Leader means you pretty much sacrifice any real fun you could be having in PvM in order to wreck shop in Siege. This means normally DEX/VIT/INT of some variety, but of course you need STR in order to carry supplies, so a higher-DEX STR build could work... just don't waste points on AGI much.
Personally I'm a fan of sucking it up, failing at PvM, and being resigned to BB leveling to 90 with whatever is available.
How about 70vit, 84int, 29str? o.o
This sounds similar-ish to my build. If you're not against using condensed/mastela in siege, it's great. If not, drop INT a bit (50s-60s base) and get more STR. All up to you, though.
I have 57 base INT and for leveling off of BB, it's enough to almost never need SP unless I'm just constantly BBing and never mobbing, etc. (i.e. BBing shit one at a time in Thor's @_@...).
I don't yet have my STR in full, I've planned between 30 and 40, but I'm sure that ought to be enough when I get it. I never get to siege underweight unless I go mastelas, though. And don't do that often, because it's better to use Ranked Cond Whites and Rogue Link (added healing from pots, along with nice VIT means you pretty much won't die to anything that doesn't one-shot you).
not fat bard
10-29-2007, 10:36 PM
99 dex 1 vit(with full s tun resist doubel stun proof + valk armor or OH sunnies) int/str for sp and carry weight.
Old Mandrill
10-29-2007, 11:11 PM
if you want to be a guild leader, i agree with
70vit, 84int, 29str
rest in dex.
don't bother to pvp without a little bit of agi ( 20 )
Swifthand
10-30-2007, 09:28 AM
1 vit
Definitely not.
Inferno Nightblade
10-30-2007, 09:54 PM
...wait, but isn't stunproof -20%? Or can I just not add?
Well, with valk armor, that totals to 90% at least anyway. So whatevz. Though I have a feeling that I should be typing "EPIC FAIL" in large boldface letters.
Anyway, my advice? Of the three builds posted, I'm a bit iffy about all three of them. The third one is probably closest to the one I'd choose, and I'm an avowed strength stalker. What I'd do is something like (base stats):
99 dex
65-75 vit (so 80 with valk armor, I believe, unless I fail at adding AGAIN)
rest into int
Normally, I'd lean more on the higher vit - yeah, AB will rape, but you're a stalker - your HP mod isn't spectacular, so even if you get a fair amount of vit, AB still kind of rapes. You may not need as much vit as proscribed; 60 may be enough; with valk armor, you have huge stun resistance and recover a decent amount from potions. Personally, I'm a pot fiend, which is why I put it at the lower range.
I went a bit extreme on the lack of strength; gym passes are well worth the $5 US (and pennies in nearly every other currency nowadays). Spending $5 on 10 gym passes provides 67 points of strength in carrying capacity, which is a lot of slim room.
If you're on euRO or another server without a Kafra shop, you may want to go a bit less extreme on the int and get a fair amount of strength.
But yeah, that's my opinion. Good luck if you're still deciding!
Deviattor
10-31-2007, 07:35 AM
Stunproof is 20%, yes. So it comes to 90% which is pretty decent for a 1 Vit char... minus the full stun duration.
I can't believe fat bard still catches people out though. :/
Swifthand
10-31-2007, 09:23 AM
In most respects, Acid Bomb isn't a problem when you have Rogue Link. Potions heal so much more that its borderline-obnoxious. Plus the amount of resist gear available is more than adequate without breaking the bank. Basic Spaulders, 4Leafs, Cranial and Feather Beret will reduce it enough to outpot AB with 50 VIT, assuming you're not eating SDs or Sonic Blows left and right as well.
Also remember that while AB damage taken increases linearly with your VIT, your ability to outpot it increases by 2% per VIT, not to mention Rogue Link. Make the Cranial a Valk Shield and throw in a Combat Knife (assuming it doesn't break) and you'll sneeze at AB when you're 85+ unless the Biochem has insta-cast or stats or something unusual.
(Note: that eating an Acid Bomb at the same time as a good Vani's caprice is still going to tank you. Nothing is going to save you from that.)
Inferno Nightblade
10-31-2007, 05:01 PM
Which is why I was iffy on yelling "failure!" (Believe me, I'm not an idiot. And as much as it pains me to admit this, neither is he.)
Though, if you're going to troll, at least get your math right first. ;D
As for outpotting - it's not QUITE as simple as that. Both are linear functions, actually; it's just their intercepts and slopes are different. With 100 vit, you recover 3 times as much from potions, but you also take 100 times the damage from AB as you would with 1 vit.
But, of course, that's kind of splitting hairs over something that's really stupid.
Scyber
11-01-2007, 10:25 AM
99 dex 1 vit(with full s tun resist doubel stun proof + valk armor or OH sunnies) int/str for sp and carry weight.
You need 1x stun proof 1x gemini S58 with 90+ base agility. Best guild leader build.
Don't bother getting strength, ebayity has it covered.
not fat bard
11-02-2007, 12:27 AM
Gym pass is pretty godly, now you don't need str for carry weight. 90+ base agi isn't that bad for a stalker guild leader if you are actually going to get the stun resist from that setup. It's not like you need alot of str for carry weight cause of gympass or int for sp you can just use ygg seeds for sp. Maybe get some luck, then you might be more lucky to evade those stupid homuculus in woe.
90% stun resist using retarded gears. Thats 10% chance to stun. Dazzler + Strings = You're still going to stun bad. I still suggest 7x-8x vit, so you dont stun plus the stun duration is moot. Hp mod helps, healing more with pots. So what if Acid bomb hurts more, get some real reduction gears on and dont be a wuss. (That or be a jerkoff like me and have a GR)
not fat bard
11-02-2007, 10:13 AM
I've tested 90% stun resist with dazzler + strings, you rarely stun, it's not that retarded imo.
Scyber
11-02-2007, 10:43 AM
But the 90 agility build gets 100% stun resist! You can't stun!
not fat bard
11-02-2007, 12:44 PM
knowledge bomb
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