Peco Peco + Magic Strings

[Dynamo]

Why does Magic Strings don't reduce the Delay of Rapid Smiting and Shield Boomerang while the Paladin is mounted (its reduced without Peco Peco)? Is it a bug?

[Nibbles]

Does said Paladin have Cavalier Mastery 5?

[crash]

You see, the Peco is actually the one getting the strings. You're too high up!

srsly, though I don't know - it's probably a bug or an animation delay.

[John]

That doesnt sound right, maybe the bard had shitty strings?

edit: stupid reply, anyways, it should work when Mounted, as I have seen it personally. However there may be a bug with it on your server. You could be lagging also, and it seemed slower?

[Legard]

Here, on bRO, you only get the cast time reduction while you're mounted, the isn't any reduction in delay. But if you're without pecopeco you get cast time and delay reduction. That's the bug. =[

[Silbear]

it shouldnt be based off aspd so cav mastery shouldnt affect it, otherwise without strings id only be able to shield boom like once every 2.x seconds, though ive never noticed a difference with strings if i shield boom now that you mention it

[Rav]

You can't use a skill faster than your aspd allows it, even if the delay is 0.

I don't play on bRO, maybe it is an actual bug. But if you have no cav mastery, you won't be able to spam shield boom more than twice a second - for example, as fast as SL allows up to (.35 sec delay).

Try spamming SD on an agiless LK.

[Legard]

But ASPD doesn't affect anything in Rapid Smiting. We have a bug there. :|

[Nibbles]

Here's the test:
A) Be unmounted. Stand in (high int) Strings and RS.
B) Be mounted w/o Cav 5. Stand in Strings and RS.
C) Be mounted w/ Cav 5. Stand in Strings and RS.

If B is slower than A or C, then ASpd affects the bottom-end of the delay. If C is slower than A, then you have a bug. If B is slower than A, and you cannot test C, then you can't make a claim that ASpd has no effect.

However, you should be aware that almost all skills have a minimum delay time, usually based off ASpd.

[Doddler]

The absolute maximum speed you can cast any skill, regardless of its fixed delay, is half the delay of your attack speed. So with strings, it is very possible that attack speed may become the limiting factor in your attack.

[Rav]

I was wrong then. I said it was your ASPD delay, not half of it. That explains something ridiculously obvious I never caught onto (healing myself once every two seconds when my delay very clearly should have been larger than that).

[Shadow Lotus]

Yeah I tested my healing speed a while back with strings on and off a peco on my pally. Even though heal isn't aspd based I still heal faster w/o the peco, when I'm mounted its as if I don't even have strings while healing myself, my heal speed is the same with and w/o strings. Now if I could somehow test it with cav mastery maxed, but I'm not up for that lol.

[Frost]

It's a bug since the introduction of crusaders.
Even WITHOUT a peco and WITHOUT strings, you shield boomerang more rapidly: you can see 2 boomerangs flying at once.
but WITH a peco, you can only use shield boomerang again when the animation completes ( shield returns to you)

It's a stupid bug that has been there for who knows how long.

[Dynamo]

It's a bug since the introduction of crusaders.
Even WITHOUT a peco and WITHOUT strings, you shield boomerang more rapidly: you can see 2 boomerangs flying at once.
but WITH a peco, you can only use shield boomerang again when the animation completes ( shield returns to you)

It's a stupid bug that has been there for who knows how long.

Recently the bRO GMs had sent to Gravity a request to fix that bug.

[Olav]

I made a sader leveling with shield boomerang. Then I rebirthed and made the paladin to 99 leveling with shield boomerang and shield chain (rapid smithing). During the late sader levels I discovered that aspd makes a big impact on shield boomerang. But when I tested earlier I didn't see any difference. Why? Because my tests were bad. During my time as a sader and paladin I made many fraps movies. If you watched those movies you would see the difference in boomerang speed and shield chain in different levels and situations/buffs.

Test 1:
I wanted to see if impressive riff made boomerang faster. I tried boomerang with and without riff, on a peco, without soul link (SL), with cav mastery 5. Result: No difference.

Test 2:
Same as test 1, but strings instead of riff. Result was the same.

So then I assumed that boomerang was not aspd based. So I started buying cheap 4-carded weapons such as 1-axes and maces (since they can't be broken). But one day when I tried out the axe with crappy aspd and I had the SL on I was very shocked.

Therefore I started leveling with berserk pots and 4s main gauche instead (aspd on main gauche and blade is the same, but resell value of a carded MG is higher). With 170 aspd I can spam about 1.5 boomerangs per second with SL. Sometimes in WoE I get advanced adrenaline rush. My aspd goes up to a whopping 177. Then I get about 2 boomerangs per seconds. Snipers and sinx drop like flies even if they try to pot.

When I leveled my last trans levels in abyss 3 I spammed shield chain with strings and gypsy's kiss (to save SP). I had SL too, but that doesn't affect the shield chain speed. It was just for convenience when I needed to boomerang mimics. The strings boost up the DPS on shield chain by a lot because of reduced cast time and delay. Without strings it would take me forever to kill a gold dragon. With strings it takes less than 3 seconds. What I never tested out is to shield chain with no cav mastery, no berserk and with an axe. I bet the difference with and without strings would not be visible because the aspd is a cap.

In WoE I've been dispelled/fly kicked and lost my SL. But I grabbed strings and spammed shield chain on the scholar. Since the SL didn't affect shield chain speed, the scholar dropped in seconds.

Just to clarify: shield boomerang is not truly aspd based. It has a fixed delay of 0.7 sec (0.35 sec with SL). 0.7 sec delay equals to 165 aspd. So if you're off peco and boomerang without berserk pots on you should have around 160 aspd. You boomerang about once a second then. But if you jump the peco (still no SL) and you have no cav mastery, your aspd drops to 110. That's only about 0.5 attacks/sec. So therefore you get the slow boomerang on peco. With SL you can boomerang faster if you have more aspd. But it's capped at 183 aspd. If you go beyond that you won't boomerang faster (even if you can attack faster).

This is what I've found out:
- Strings reduce shield chain delays -> faster DPS
- Strings does not help boomerang
- Using a faster weapon class (daggers/swords vs maces/axes), using berserk pots, getting cav mastery speeds up boomerang
- Impressive riff or advanced AR increase boomerang speed
- Impressive riff or advanced AR does not speed up shield chain unless your aspd was low in the beginning
- Using boomerang with bare hands increase boomerang speed (because your aspd is higher)
- If you have crappy aspd (peco without cav mastery), you will boomerang slow no matter what. Getting SL won't help.

There are a few reasons why your other tests are not correct:
- The bard didn't have level 10 musical lessons -> this affects the after-delay a lot.
- The bard had only 1 base int. Even though higher int reduces cast delay, the difference between 1 and 40 base int isn't that great. The difference between 1 and 10 musical lessons is much greater.
- When testing boomerang on and off peco, you had no cav mastery