Use of a stalker?

[irochaosftw]

Hi I was wondering what ways a Stalker can contribute to a guild and parties. I am currently leveling a bow rogue, and before I decide to put all my time and zeny into it I just want to know if stalkers can be useful to guilds or parties. Also, what can I do in woe? will I be needed in woe? thanks alot :D

[Sho Lin]

Strip and flying kick, I don't care what others say.

[rene]

bowling bash with a dagger stalker it's quite pro

[Sho Lin]

i hope that's sarcastic

[ZephyrShakuraus]

Strip and flying kick, I don't care what others say.

^

[Bato]

There's been a long debate on the thief forums about it, but in conclusion, no, stalkers aren't a one trick pony and there are many uses for them depending on their build.

(Close confine,) Flying Kick, Bowling Bash, LoV, SG, pick your weapon of choice.

[ZephyrShakuraus]

There's a difference between "One-trick pony" and "doing your job."

[Bato]

Would you ask a wiz to only cast SG instead of making full use of the skills at their disposition?

[Jayed]

I hate getting close confined in WoE :|

That doesn't require a special skill build or stat build though. It's a quest skill.

Divestment / Full Divestment are probably the most useful things a stalker can do, period. Full Divestment is almost as good as gfisting someone, because it renders many classes downright useless, and makes them extremely vulnerable to death (no cranial, no beret).

Flying kick is supposedly useful but I cannot comment much on that one beyond it's kinda like snapping around. Gives you more mobility to escape danger or close the gap between you and the person you want to divest.

I guess that's not to say they CAN'T do other stuff; but Monk can do stuff other than GFist, and some of it is useful, but clearly GFist is the most useful thing so it's all you ever see them do.

[mocharust]

First Aid?

[Wingates]

stalker pisses off people in siege.

[Yansibar]

Stalkers can usualy contribute fairly well in parties, and are able to make good xp in a variety of places depending on your build. As for WoE, you job is basically to stay alive and strip people as long as possible. Skills like flying kick will help you with this in WoE, but BB is not totaly useless if you feel like using it. Personaly I rarely find a time where I'd even think of using BB in WoE, but it can be usefull if you make it to the wiz line or something.

[Anutsu]

Stalkers recall. If you're not a leader, go make a smith or something.

[Sho Lin]

Would you ask a wiz to only cast SG instead of making full use of the skills at their disposition?

Wizards get to use all their skills with out worrying about them being lost. Only thing that pisses me off on the receiving end is getting flying kicked and then getting striped. Strip stalker can do this and do a better job at it. Not once a stalker using bowling bash on me bothered me.

There is a difference between fun and being useful to the full potential of the class.

[saitorashi]

While I agree that Full Strip is a stalker's main skill, I kinda find it dull to use in woe sometimes. I don't know, but failing like 15 times to strip someone who isn't coated doesn't make me smile very much. Not to mention my stalker is dex based, which makes it sound even more depressing. I guess if I get the chance, I'll go buy a mailbreaker, and skill reset and get rid of full divest. I really think that Flying kick/Bowling Bash/Magnum Break, or whatever floats your boats with a mail/sword breaker gets the job done a little bit quicker sometimes. Especially since you don't have to stop to divest someone. You can just keep jumping back and forth between people.

That's just my opinion, but yeah.

[crash]

Slipping your way into somebody's MS and Mag Breaking the fuck out of them can be done by a lot of classes, though. I think that it can be effective in its own respect, but Full Stripping can't be ignored as probably the most useful thing you can be doing most of the time. What with Valk Armors, Mace/Rod/Golem Carded Weapons and soon all the Battleground equipment - some sets which include indestructibility - it's going to be more and more useful to strip than the Mag Break with Sword/Mailbreakers.

[saitorashi]

Ah Yes. You are quite correct. I guess I can't neglect the fact that you can always strip indestructable equipment. Thank you for the convincing arguement, crash.

[Samias]

Flying Kick, besides snapping you around, also gets rid of soul linker skills (including link and skills gained from link), since somebody mentioned they didn't know what other uses it has (or I could've sworn somebody said that).

Also, full strip is the devil, so I encourage you to use it whenever at all possible. -whatever- Valk armor, cranial valk shield/GTB, feather beret, and weapon all gone at the same time when you full strip them, and waiting out the full duration in the middle of rushing a precast is almost impossible. I don't play a stalker but I'm always on the receiving end and I'd have to say being fullstripped is not fun.

[Cute Wittle Corgi]

stalker pisses off people in siege.

:angel:

[Feint]

Stalkers recall. If you're not a leader, go make a smith or something.

HEY:(:(

[crash]

Ah Yes. You are quite correct. I guess I can't neglect the fact that you can always strip indestructable equipment. Thank you for the convincing arguement, crash.

I sense a great deal of sarcasm, saito. I WAS BACKING YOU UP kinda :< Why the hate?

[saitorashi]

That was not sarcasm. You gave a counter arguement that gave me reason to believe that full strip is, and will still be useful in the future. I didn't mean to make it sound sarcastic, so I apologize otherwise.

[Dragon]

http://rode.doddlercon.com/db/images/items/normal/7139.png

[Sho Lin]

http://irowiki.org/w/images/8/82/Flying_Kick.png

Say bye to your link and zerk potion

[WK]

Stalkers recall. If you're not a leader, go make a scholar.
Fix'd. Seriously though, both scholar and stalker are griefer classes that annoy opponents without making the actual kill. If you can live with the thought that the kill won't be yours after you've made contact with them, but whatever is thrown at your opponent next most certainly will, this class is for you.

[not fat bard]

I just copy first wind, and kill people on ME while wearing. I used to have fun stripping people until everyone started getting FCP'd. Now about 95% of the people our opposing alliance have FCP up all during siege. SIGH.....

[Redline]

I made a Stalker to basically annoy my opponents with full divest, close confine, and get a couple of kills with some of my exploding dragon attacks :p in WoE. Like most people have said in this forum... Stalkers are really not meant to kill.. I find if you have a Stalker and you just want to get kills in WoE I think your using the wrong character... make a Hwiz, Sinx, LK, ect if you wanna kill people. What I find my roll as a Stalker is to cripple the opposing guild with your supportive skill Full Divest...YAY.

[Simple.]

I view stalkers as a support class. FS+Whatever skill fits your fancy.

[Nails]

stalker pisses off people in siege.
so....goood....daaaammmmmmmmm........true! :mad:
but at least ye look hawt while ye annoy the T@#$ out of me :lv:

[Nhoj]

Cant wait to get enough job level to strip people...payback time :gg:

[Old Mandrill]

I used to like targetting Gypsies and Minstrils with FS, so they couldn't set up CP or Strings, that can kill a precast.

[Old Mandrill]

I view stalkers as a support class. FS+Whatever skill fits your fancy.

<-he's got the idea

[Thyrial]

People really underestimate the damage potential of a stalker with BB... but besides that ya Full Strip is just plan godly... One of the most effective things in WoE period, also as has been said if you're satisfied with not doing any damage then Flying Kick is awesome since you can basically snap around stripping people and in the process removing thier links by FKing them.

[Spydermine]

Alright I'm going to go with Full Strip and Flying Kick. But in addition what about status daggers? Do they have any synergy with this class and it's "duties"?

[WK]

Both status daggers and status arrows equipped proc with FK. Cursing is most likely your best friend.

[Lane]

There are a couple of really bad stalkers on iris who do nothing but FK and curse, and not Full strip. Pity I curse for less than a second.

Womp womp. :(

[warok]

There are a couple of really bad stalkers on iris who do nothing but FK and curse, and not Full strip. Pity I curse for less than a second.

Womp womp. :(

most of them are dagger stalkers with low vit and medium dex and decided to not copy bb. i'm pretty sure i know exactly who ur refering to.

[Sd-]

and some stalker get agi, even more trash.

anyway, I think stalker are superly useful if you are not going against bunches of people who are being coated. As mentioned earlier, full divest could take off items such as valk GR/ GTB, however I really believe that if those people are able to obtain that kind of item, I"m pretty sure that they are coated most of the time in WoE.

So other from divesting, I guess you can flying kick to cancle the soul link, ninja SG to interupt(people who are not being saced)/ slow down people, magnum break with stun on the wiz line(would be better to use status rather than mail/sword breakers, because if you can break those gears, you can divest them), and lastly, confined a VIP such as a guild leader or a solo breaker that happens to ran through the precast alone.

Full Divest is always the first priority, but stalker is not as useless against coated people as wizard vs gtb, or paladin vs GR.

[Digital Love]

Lol, agi is fun!

[Sd-]

yah, but you lose the rights to call other stalkers "bad stalkers" though =(.

[Wingates]

Bad players=the one with 'correct' build but still lose to 'zomgleet' build.

I have proved this thousands time.

[Rain]

stalkers can be very damaging in a party vs party if he/she has good pvp iq. Mainly to strip / delink

[Digital Love]

Bah, it's not like agi would really destroy my build, manage to BB about twice a reg Bow/Dagger stalker can do it, and let's make it clear, BB on a stalker isn't the type of skill that 1 hitKO anyone.

My build is a bit PvM more then siege I guess, I still like it.

RDIT : Ahh yeah most stalker now are guild leader with double mejg, sory I nub.

[mocharust]

Agi isn't entirely useless. It's all about balance.

[rolypolybug]

Someone make something like this! (I might reset for less dex so I can).

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6360/stalkerbuildao4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6360/stalkerbuildao4.35740f0e61.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=161&i=stalkerbuildao4.jpg)

[part time lover]

holy shit 273 flee with 12k HP. sounds beast.

[.Seth~]

Armor Charm[1] does exist?

[rolypolybug]

Oh, no it doesn't. That was just leftover from when I had a nimble glove equipped to reach the dex bonus.

[Xxelos]

switch garment/shoes to the wool scarf/tidal combo.

[Phil]

I'm a dagger/sword stalker, I like my stalker best in PvP, snatching is pretty easy with a decent ammount of both flee+vit as well.

I'm usually frustrated alot in WoE though since I always get dispelled under SG's ;[

[not fat bard]

Fallenwings is pretty much that build. a dex/agi/vit hybrid. He seems to enjoy it a lot, and flee is very underrated these days. Seems like most of those annoying sinX's in pvp and LKs don't get any dex, I flee most sinX's and LKs in pvp on my agi gypsy, so this build seems viable since improved dodge give so much more flee.

[satetsu]

how about this:

flying kick -> close confine -> backstab glitch :o

haven't tried it tho, can you attack/use skills in close confine?
but if it works then it's the revival of old days rogue backstabber :stir:

edit:

you can use skill and attack when close confined, but the old man said that u can use any skill and attacks except backstab o_O

rly?

[Deshi]

Shield booming with a quad drowzy is great fun.

[satetsu]

how about sand attack 0 damage spam with quad drowsie?

[ChrisTurk]

stalkers are overlooked way too much. Their possibilities are endless. I actually wish i had one cause of their endless abilities of leveling. As for woe goes. Strip = game over. Close Confine is a winner and stone flingin recalls never gets old either. With flying kick you can easily get to an emp and distract people so your emp breakers can get there too.

[Deshi]

A stalker's supposed infinite potential is also a way overused statement. Nobody really gives a crap if stalkers can copy half the offensive skills in the game, fact remains that only a few are actually worth copying, and that your build will most likely not allow you to take full advantage of the said infinite potential. Strip > FCP. Hide > Close Confine. Stone flinging recalls = lol nig plz.

[rene]

i stone fling recalls all the time

[Amnesy]

how about this:

flying kick -> close confine -> backstab glitch :o

haven't tried it tho, can you attack/use skills in close confine?
but if it works then it's the revival of old days rogue backstabber :stir:

edit:

you can use skill and attack when close confined, but the old man said that u can use any skill and attacks except backstab o_O

rly?

That glitch doesn't work.

And, Even if it works, BB can deal more damage with less sp.

flying kick7 = 10 sp + 25% = 12sp
close confine = 25 sp
backstab = 16 sp

Total = 27 sp + 16s* hit (7x)

BB10 = 22 sp ( 10x)

3bs ( 21x) = 75sp
2bb ( 20x) = 44sp

4bs ( 28x) = 91sp
3bb ( 30x) = 66 sp

6bs ( 42x) = 107sp
4bb ( 40x) = 88sp

I don't think u need more than 6bs for a monster ...

[Xanst]

Fallenwings is pretty much that build. a dex/agi/vit hybrid. He seems to enjoy it a lot, and flee is very underrated these days. Seems like most of those annoying sinX's in pvp and LKs don't get any dex, I flee most sinX's and LKs in pvp on my agi gypsy, so this build seems viable since improved dodge give so much more flee.

He also didn't buy tickets to prom. :/

[Swifthand]

I do not believe in these so-called "Stalkers".

Also, what I wouldn't give to actually see a Stalker take down a Gold Acidus in under 2 seconds. Hot damn. Now this is with some Stat Foods, Stats from BC and double attack, but even without Stat Food, BC, AR etc., an AGI/STR Stalker could take down a Gold Acidus in around 10 seconds with a decent +ed Platinum Shotel, Bison Horn, Chick Hat and Trifecta 10 for insane aspd. That's better than I can get on my planned PvM Crit SinX. In fact, I'm rather disenchanted with the thing now that I figured out just how much aspd-driven power you can pump out of a Stalker with Shotels and Bison/Thorny set.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/SpiderEd/SI%20Screenies/what.jpg

[Eurydice]

Someone make something like this! (I might reset for less dex so I can).

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6360/stalkerbuildao4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6360/stalkerbuildao4.35740f0e61.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=161&i=stalkerbuildao4.jpg)

Build looks similiar to mine.
It's an Flee Based PvP Build.

However i do not like your excact stats, but you pobably calced that in a few minutes.

Also, your Equipment of choice is abit strange.
120 DEX is superior to 130 DEX in every aspect (except for casting time)
And if you really wanrt to hit 130 DEX (for HIT, not damage) than you're better of with one nimble and one vesper04 core.

And black leather Boots/Crest of Rider are WAY better than this^^'



Thing is, Agility (as in FLEE) eliminates one of the Stalkers main disadvantage.
Even tho a Lord Knight/Sinx won't do TOO much Damage on an well equipped Stalker he could still take you down if he does save play.
It doesnt matter if you got 70,80 or even 90/100VIT.
It will not increase your surviveability the way agility does.

Agi will make you dodge MOST of the attacks thrown at you in PvP.
There are ALOT bad Builds out there (LK/SINX/CHAMP) with low DEX.
Even with quad ancient an sinx isnt able to hit you all the time.

Main Advantage:

You can walk freely without having to worry that everything thron at you could kill OR Hitlock you.
When enemys start to do saveplay you can still dodge an good amount of there attacks.
THIS does add alot to your surviveability.


Advantage 2 :

Something I always disliked was that it's pretty obvious which Equipment you use.
(Even if we don't have sprites)
It's very easy to figue out hich armor someone wears for instances.

Most people aren't able to handle Flee based Stalkers.
All they can do about you is to get there ancient weapon OR use Buffs to increases there HIT.

However we're not talking about an 50xish AGI Stalker which always use the same equipment.
We're talking bout an well build flee based stalker which gains a Fleerate which usually is high enough to dodge everyhing.

People won't have an easy time figuring out if you're using a Deadly or Flee Equipment. (just an example)
Multiple attempts trying to hit you = Alot of time you can spend on killing your enemy.


Conclusion:

AGI > VIT , after you got decent VIT already.


Flee Based PvP Stalker won't work very good if you're not willing to change equipment like all the time.
You should know against which enemys you are able to use grimtooth to increase chance of doding the attack (SD/CS yes,even TSS)
Or when to use defensive gear (Clover Rosarys/CK)

Same goes for Equipment like Mocking (can't wait for black leather boots combo to be released..)


So you end up switching alot (esp. Weapons and Garments)
Most people don't even use Elemental Armors because theyre either not fast enough/they're newbs or it's too annoying to them/not worth it to them.

If you're not prepared for this you might as well go for an 5x agi 7x vit 9xw/e DEX build and have reduction gear on all the time.
You might be more effective than someone who doesn't know WHEN to use which equipment and keeps it on all the time.


Someone might argue now VIT Stalkers are superior in party vs party in PvP.
But thats wrong.

In fact, in x vs x an hybrid Stalker is even MORE superior to an VIT Stalker.
Or you you REALLY think certain Classes,like LK, can keep up Conc just for you?
Or sinX will be able to use ancient weapon ALL the time?

Especially when there are high chances they will STILL miss.

(And yea, switching to ancient is ONE button , but the SinX would give away which element he/she uses or at least if she uses an Converter, and you really should avoid this)


A short review about what you can expect from an hybrid Stalker in PvP.
Stalker isn't an PvP Character by default.
VIT alone doesn't make a Stalker an decent PvP Character.

It's about the balance of DEX/VIT/AGI/FLEE and HIT (which doesn't matter TOO much at the moment..) STR Type PvP Stalker is another story (and WAY harder to get an decent build, and by decent i do not mean an " i get agi for few aspd and to dodge sometimes Build")

[Walnuts]

Stalkers contribute nothing to a guild or party, unless you're in labs, and a good scholar can do your job anyway.

Stalkers are terrible in parties outside of labs too. Bowling Bash is a good skill on a stalker, but it's still a skill that is a lot more effective on a Lord Knight if you're talking about partying outside of labs.

Stalker is a class where if you didn't have one on for WoE, nobody would be like "aw dammit where's our stalker" unless he's the recall leader. Which is sad because they're quite good in WoE.

People started FCP'ing a few months back, but it has mostly died down, and you can always divest on their recall-rush since FCP will most likely not be up on that rush due to deaths. Emps break way too easily nowadays, when they really shouldn't if there are competent stalkers around.

In WoE, the holy trinity of skills for stalkers is Full Divest, Close Confine, and Flying Kick. If you don't want to do that because you think it's dull, lame, or boring, then make another class. Or make an Int stalker, which has a lot more options. But otherwise make a biochemist if you want excitement.

All of this is based on the current iRO stalker metagame. With the current builds and such. If the trend was more like the agi build posted before, then it'd be a little different. agi/vit is the best build you could make right now IMO, especially with the popularity of Sonic Blow and other mind-numbingly overpowered and easy to use skills.

Don't worry though guys. Once they let us copy Earthquake (never) and trans skills (never), we'll grab iRO by the balls.

[mocharust]

^ sad but true

[rolypolybug]

Build looks similiar to mine.
It's an Flee Based PvP Build.

However i do not like your excact stats, but you pobably calced that in a few minutes.

Also, your Equipment of choice is abit strange.
120 DEX is superior to 130 DEX in every aspect (except for casting time)
And if you really wanrt to hit 130 DEX (for HIT, not damage) than you're better of with one nimble and one vesper04 core.

And black leather Boots/Crest of Rider are WAY better than this^^'


Yea, I did make that build in a few seconds.
I don't see how 120 dex is superior to 130 dex unless you're talking about the stat points it's freeing up, in which case it's probably up to the stalker as a balance of cast time (for stealth), strip chance (every little bit counts), and damage/versatility of equips (for pvm more than pvp).

The point of the equips are to be very anti-sinx. I had a generic 50 dex sinx build with full damage and varying +hit weapons on the side. With the hp, defense, and flee on the stalker build with those equips, the stalker should be able to survive anything but a lucky sonic blow from a slotted infiltrator.

I would put highly upgraded slotted black leather boots/crest of the rider under equipment that isn't realistic, more for the upgrades that would be needed than the availability (.01% drop from byorgue lol...). And if I were going to use any of the new gears in those slots it would probably be highly upgraded wool scarf/tidal shoes combo for the extra hp. I wasn't using best equips, though, just equips I could realistically obtain.

But yea, I agree with everything else.

Hope we can copy third class skills when they come out :x

[Walnuts]

Yeah. Just like how adding TK's and Ninjas buffed stalkers up, hopefully 3rd classes will have a similar (obviously greater) effect.

I hope that at the very least, we can copy them as a third class rogue (Dickchaser or whatever they're calling it).

[Luisaurus]

Recalling and snatching marionette on frames

[Eurydice]

Divest Skills are fast enough at 120 DEX (imo)
120 DEX means also (slightly) less DEX.
But 120 DEX will outperform 130 DEX even damage-wise,since you need DEX Equipment to get to 130 DEX, which means alot of times you won't even have those 130 DEX.
And 120 DEX + 2 THief Medals ARE Superior to 130 DEX with DEX Equipment.
+20 Flee AND Poisen Status ( quite useful in Stalker duels/party with scholar)


And I won't get high upped Black Leather Boots/Crest of Rider, but even without high upgrade they're still better.
Gonna hunt Black Leather Boots myself and probably going to buy Crest of Rider..
+4 is fine with me.



Another Question: (talkin bout Stalker only)
(abit long so don't read if you aren't interessted in it)


People always said STR BB is superior to DEX BB.
I kinda disagree with that since they lack DEX/Casttime.
And to do damage they HAVE to divest most enemys.

However, if you could deal DECENT damage (as in ~2k Damage each Bowling Bash total, assued Target) it would force people to be careful even if they aren't divested.

Example:
You're against an High Priest.
Usually Bowling Bash would deal like 1,6k (if at all) on an decent High Priest.
Which means running + a heal once in a while is enough.
If a Stalker could pull out 2k damage each Bowling Bash they would have to worry about the damage AND divest.
Which will make it harder for them to support the rest, since they have to heal themselves.

Also, those Priests who unequip/re-equip pretty fast would have an rough time as well.

Right now taking one Bowling Bash after the Stalker realized he unequiped the Shield isn't really a Problem.
Just switch the Shield back on and outheal it.

But if you're dealing even decent damage when enemys have there shield on they will have troubles outhealing you.


Some new Swords have quite high ATK AND those new Bowling Bash Cards are extremly useful as well (+25% DMG +5 HIT screw CRIT)


I wonder if we were able to pull this off.

And, would it be really an good idea to get 90+ STR (Thief Rings?) or even 95 for STR Bonus?
Get PvM-like low DEX because STR Stalker gets a few HIT extra?
(well, 35, which is extremly high, but how about the Casttime? Without normal Divest skills you fail in PvP; and even in WoE they are quite useful)

Or would it be better to go for like 85 STR, add higher DEX so it improves HIT and Casttime?
But you wouldn't be able to get high enough DEX to use Bows as well if you want to add decent AGI for Flee and abit VIT.

But than again, using a Bow on Swordstalker is nice because of the elements, or if you start BBing someone with silver arrows who used a Deadly against your Cursed Water.

But would this really be useful if a Stalker would be able to get an extremly powerful STR Bowling Bash?
After all, we do have Endows/Scrolls..



Feel free to add your thoughts.

(FYI; if I haven't add anything else I had always PvP in mind)

And do not suggest doing 99 STR lowish DEX no AGI Builds, they are far from useful in PvP. (not sayin they can't kill anything, but if i wanted something like that i could have worked it out myself)

[Morrowind]

I've been thinking about blade/saber (any other options?) with sword guardian cards and using converters... I wonder if its any good/better than bow BB? I'm tired of my dex/vit/agi stalker, time for a change :P ?

[Lamech]

Stalkers contribute nothing to a guild or party, unless you're in labs, and a good scholar can do your job anyway.

Stalkers are terrible in parties outside of labs too. Bowling Bash is a good skill on a stalker, but it's still a skill that is a lot more effective on a Lord Knight if you're talking about partying outside of labs.

Stalker is a class where if you didn't have one on for WoE, nobody would be like "aw dammit where's our stalker" unless he's the recall leader. Which is sad because they're quite good in WoE.

People started FCP'ing a few months back, but it has mostly died down, and you can always divest on their recall-rush since FCP will most likely not be up on that rush due to deaths. Emps break way too easily nowadays, when they really shouldn't if there are competent stalkers around.

In WoE, the holy trinity of skills for stalkers is Full Divest, Close Confine, and Flying Kick. If you don't want to do that because you think it's dull, lame, or boring, then make another class. Or make an Int stalker, which has a lot more options. But otherwise make a biochemist if you want excitement.

All of this is based on the current iRO stalker metagame. With the current builds and such. If the trend was more like the agi build posted before, then it'd be a little different. agi/vit is the best build you could make right now IMO, especially with the popularity of Sonic Blow and other mind-numbingly overpowered and easy to use skills.

Don't worry though guys. Once they let us copy Earthquake (never) and trans skills (never), we'll grab iRO by the balls.

From the time my stalker was 70 with perserve, I was able to pull a consistent 2+mil an hour and it grew till i was 90+. Now with my 98 stalker i can pull 41mil/hr (slaved) with the 2x xp event. I don't think you can easily ignore the leveling possibilties of a stalker. The int/dex stalkers had 1 major flaw that was rectified with the last patch, they couldnt level alone (now they can with TU in anubis).

WoE is much more annoying now as a stalker than it ever was before and this is my only main complaint about stalkers currently. FCP is OP and needs to have either a counter skill or some kindof nerf, either that or they need to give stalkers another skill that makes them more viable in siege.

[KosoKoso]

From the time my stalker was 70 with perserve, I was able to pull a consistent 2+mil an hour and it grew till i was 90+. Now with my 98 stalker i can pull 41mil/hr (slaved) with the 2x xp event. I don't think you can easily ignore the leveling possibilties of a stalker.

I was wondering where you are leveling, 41mil/hr is an insane amount of exp /slur

[Digital Love]

Biolol 3? Thor? Coco & Horn map ?

[Lamech]

lol forgot to check the thread again. was during the 2x xp and with a manual but i was down in nameless. GC with rudra and angeling is the fastest way you can kill down there. I self slaved on a scholar for sp and had 2 priests helping. Needless to say 41mil an hour wasnt hard to get at all... even took a couple breaks when i got that.

[Fish!]

Bio /gg especially with typhoon, you can really have some fun with HW :D

bloop ~

[Sho Lin]

Stalkers can contribute tons.

Recalling
De link
De berserk pot
Strip non coats
snatch unwanted monsters

A lot more fun than point and click classes.