Mvping on SinX (SonicB based build)

[rai-den]

While browsing the forums (especially mvp screen shot forums) i found many examples and screen shots of sinx's mvping (and tanking while mvping) certain mvps (like the bio2 mvp) I wanted to know how this was achieved and if there were any other mvps a sinx could solo?

Thanks,
Rai

[Xellie]

Hmm... I do this a lot. It works best with elemental advantage endow and link.

I solo phreeoni, osiris, gtb, hatii.

[crash]

Moonie is probably possible - you can 2 shot her with link, and 1 shot, if you log a priest down there, lex it, fwing, and then SB her.

Eddga is probably also similar.

There are a lot more that you could duo (ie Spectre) if you had a link, etc.

[Xellie]

Oh yah, I one shot moonie with lex lol.

Maya's a good one if you're quick too.

[Ichigo]

Moonie is probably possible - you can 2 shot her with link, and 1 shot, if you log a priest down there, lex it, fwing, and then SB her.

Eddga is probably also similar.

There are a lot more that you could duo (ie Spectre) if you had a link, etc.

I dont like Spectre :(

I like the card though, but cost benefit ratio isn't that great...

[crash]

I actually have to agree - although, calcing it, I found that I could SB, lex and SB and it'd be dead. Of course, this is with getting a linker down to Amatsu 3, which I didn't bother doing once I tried it after he became a complete and udder pain in the ass instead of just annoying.

[Feint]

Amon Ra is also easy, just requires 2 EDPs without Soul Link, and a crapload of White Pots thanks to his coma spam. I'm not sure but I'd assume White Lady(or Bacsojin, whatever it's called) is also possible.

[Bitch Face]

Leap pretty much owns amatsu lvl 1?

[margafred]

While browsing the forums (especially mvp screen shot forums) i found many examples and screen shots of sinx's mvping (and tanking while mvping) certain mvps (like the bio2 mvp) I wanted to know how this was achieved and if there were any other mvps a sinx could solo?
Bio2 MVP you mean MVP Cenia?

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1560/screensara002ki5.jpg


Cenia probably is one of the easiest MVP to kill alongside with Amon Ra.You can kill her by means of SBing or tanking like i did.

Anyway as a SinX,to MVP Cenia you need to at least have a decent amount of flee,best if your flee rate can dodge her 95% of the time.Since she doesn't have a power up to boost her hit rate,so its safe to assume that AGI type of SinX is the most suitable type of SinX to kill her.And you need to remember these 3 important things if you wanna use tanking way to MVP her.

Firstly,if you can have a partner to MVP along with you,then i would recommend a High Priest with Assumptio...Assumptio is a very important skill when it comes to tanking.Without it,your success rate to outpot her + her mobs damage is pretty low,and if you have a low vit with you,a stun attack from Armaia would be pretty deadly...which is the main reason of why you need Assumptio.If you plan to solo her,just use the Assumptio scroll,like i do.

Second is,with the recent update that gave Cenia the strongest skill Spiral Pierce,you gonna need a GR armor for it..that or TGK.Her maximum Spiral damage i think is below 25k,and with Thara,that will be reduced to somewhere below 17k,so if you can have HP above 20k,pretty much you could survive her Spiral easily.But i prefer GR.

Thirdly,prepare lots of demi human reduction shield.I usually carry 3 Thara bucks and 1 Thara guard when MVPing her,and the reason for it was because of her Shield Break skill.Tanking without protection from Thara shield is pretty stupid,even with Assum,you will have about 30-40% chances only to outpot the damage.

Owh and 1 more thing...kill the Acolyte Ebecee before tanking her damage (just bring an infiltrator and enchant it with dark water,and SB that Aco to death)..unless if you can bear his 9999 heal and -50 AGI Decrease AGI.

Amon Ra is also easy, just requires 2 EDPs without Soul Link, and a crapload of White Pots thanks to his coma spam. I'm not sure but I'd assume White Lady(or Bacsojin, whatever it's called) is also possible.
Amon Ra is 100% do-able,either by means of 2 daggers or SBing.But i prefer tanking.Just wear fire armor and you should be able to survive his Fire Pillar.

As for White Lady.

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Yeap she's do-able too.I never try using SB way to kill her though..i just using 1 dagger with shield,and tank her damage while at the same time damaging her.Her Assumptio + Sanctuary can recover her HP quite fast,but still she won't be able to outnumbered your damage.:cool:

Moonie is probably possible - you can 2 shot her with link, and 1 shot, if you log a priest down there, lex it, fwing, and then SB her.

Eddga is probably also similar.


http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9828/screensara005ky6.jpg


She's do-able too.I just use Grimtooth to deal the damage,since i can dodge her 95% of the time (unless she Power Up),and beside Grimtooth is the best way to clear her mobs away.My tactics when dealing with her

1) When you saw her lure her to a place where there's no monster around
2) Enchant your weapon with water element and start EDP
3) If she dispell you just re-enchant your element back
4) Start hiding and GT her along with her mobs
5) Once all her mobs gone,she will resummon again her mobs
6) Clear again all her mobs with GT
7) She won't be able to call her mobs due to the 30 second delay
8) Unhide and SB her as many as you can during the 30 second delay
9) If she strip you,tele and relog again,and repeat step 1-8 again until she die.
10) If she use area silence while you're hiding,most likely it will be your doom moment,since you won't be able to use any pots or recovery items while hiding..but if her normal attack is the one that unhide you,then you should thank her,coz from what i see,once she use area silence,she usually follow it up with a Hammerfall,and ends it with a Mammonite.If she didn't then you're lucky.Or a cheap way would be using Marduk headgear...

I think that pretty much sums everything that you need when MVPing Moonlight.

As for Edgga,you can kill him easily,that is if you can tank his Bomb damage,and have an unbreakable weapon (if you going for tanking way).




Other do-able MVP (i believe) would be Atroce (i never try the new version of him,so not sure if his Pulse Strike is tankable or not),Evil Snake Lord,Gloom Under Night and Kiel D-01.

[Feint]

Victorious Coronet and Brooch Multiplied Energy's? What are those? I'm assuming there's an Owl Baron Card in the Brooch but I'm probably wrong. Sorry for offtopicness :P

[margafred]

Yeap,its Owl Baron card in the brooch.

The Victorious Coronet is an event headgear that adds 15% MHP and 5% SP recovery.Very useful for tanking =p

[Golden Fingers]

Stormy Knight is pretty much the same, although i havent taken screenshots.

I find skills a bit fiddly so just edp+crit. the +7/10% cards and morriganes set allows high damage crits with a high crit rate on a DDsin build.

Had never really considered using a shield to mvp with though as silly as that sounds, might have to try that on some slightly tougher ones.

[rai-den]

Interesting playing a sinx i'd already learned how to solo Amon Ra and Eddga its just interesting to see that some of the mvps are still soloable with sinx even with the recent updates

[Xellie]

Um okay what the hell?
GT on moonie?
She always spawns in the same place, so just get an endow and EDP 5 seconds pre-spawn. 2 Linked SBs max and shes gone (I have 69 base str) that whole GTing thing seems way to complex for something so simple.

What server do you play on Margafred? Those screenshots are tagged kRO but the text is in English?

Eddga takes me something like 4 SBs (with lex) - and is easy, just don't step on the bombs.

Generally speaking, its not that smart to MVP without a priest (yet I do) :<

Bapho is a good one too. though I tend to crit + tank (looking at ~ 600 ranked slims wearing GR + coating) rather than sonic blow. That's solo. With a priest, maybe 200 slims since earthquake owns them =p

[margafred]

Its mRO Malaysia.

Anyway that first post asking about how to solo,so i just gave out my experience solo-ing MVP as a SinX.Of course if its partying with High Priest,you can go almost every MVP out there ( at least in iRO,not in mRO)

Um okay what the hell?
GT on moonie?
She always spawns in the same place, so just get an endow and EDP 5 seconds pre-spawn. 2 Linked SBs max and shes gone (I have 69 base str) that whole GTing thing seems way to complex for something so simple.
If the stats and MHP for Moonlight is like what kRO and iRO had,then i wouldn't go as far as that to think of a strategy to beat her down.

Here's the stat for Moonlight in mRO (basically Gameflier tweaked the MVP (only applied to MVP below ep 10-1) stats and change their ATK and MHP,making it solo-able to certain classes only,unlike iRO where every 2nd classes can kill the MVP to death).


Moonlight Flower -
LV - 67
HP - 250000
ATK - 1700 ~ 2420
DEF - 31 + 55
MDEF - 61 + 82
EXP/JOB - 35750/18590
SIZE - Medium
ATTR - Fire3
RACE - Demon
100% HIT - 186
100% FLEE - 237

If her ATK and MHP follows like iRO's Moonlight stats,then i would just SB her without any soul link to death,and even let her Mammo me without worrying of dying,coz in my server,without shield,her Mammo can deal about 13k - 15k damage (both are 1 hit KO),which means there's a higher chance for me to survive her Mammo if her ATK is 1200 ~ 1700.

About luring her,well that's just my way of playing =p ,since the place where she spawn are always full with mobs (Horong especially) thanks to the bots inside there.Beside GTing her is fun too..she's the only MVP i think that can be killed using GT without having any problem in mRO. :D

Um okay what the hell?
Bapho is a good one too. though I tend to crit + tank (looking at ~ 600 ranked slims wearing GR + coating) rather than sonic blow. That's solo. With a priest, maybe 200 slims since earthquake owns them =p
Try mRO version of Baphomet then.


Baphomet
LV - 81
HP - 980000
ATK - 4400~5500
DEF - 58 + 30
MDEF - 60 + 85
EXP/JOB - 182325/64422
SIZE - Big
ATTR - Shadow4
RACE - Demon
100% HIT - 253
100% FLEE - 276


Later will try Vesper and see whether he is solo-able too or not.

[Xellie]

oh lol. That expains it.

though on iRO I'd be bothered about moonie dispelling me while in hide :p

I'd still solo crit that bapho <3

[Deviattor]

Eddga can be killed in a single SB (lexed, linked, EDP), it's very satisfying.

Drake needs like 2x Attack and BSB. :(

[rai-den]

eh? Vesper's mob should be a little much to handle along with vesper dont you think?

[Atum]

eh? Vesper's mob should be a little much to handle along with vesper dont you think?
He summons up to 16 mobmonsters (Apocalypse, Venatu, Dimik), also he has 10k baseatk and can do powerup anytime he wants.
Would be pretty touch to solo with a melee-sinX,i guess.

[margafred]

eh? Vesper's mob should be a little much to handle along with vesper dont you think?
He summons up to 16 mobmonsters (Apocalypse, Venatu, Dimik), also he has 10k baseatk and can do powerup anytime he wants.
Would be pretty touch to solo with a melee-sinX,i guess.
Just try him today.

- Impossible without getting rid of his mob first.
- Impossible without GR
- Impossible without shield.
- Impossible without assum (also impossible with assum unless you can do something about the mobs)

[Xellie]

yeah Vesper requires duoing.

[margafred]

Maybe possible if playing switch Garm armor and GR armor.

[rai-den]

Um not sure how it is on mRO but I thought that GR armor/Ghost Element doesnt work pvm

[margafred]

GR works on certain monster skills only such as Critical Slash.

[Jelly]

I was just wondering, what weapons do you guys use to MvP with?

[margafred]

I was just wondering, what weapons do you guys use to MvP with?
Weapon that gives out better damage?

My way when choosing a weapon is
If the MVP's armor DEF is somewhere between 0~35 > +60% damage carded Gladius.
If the MVP's armor DEF is somewhere between 35~50 > Any ignore DEF dagger
If the MVP's armor DEF is above 50 > Ice Pick
If you can tank MVP damage without shield,then go for 2 daggers or Katar if you're going for SB.

[Xellie]

Specialized Katars or a +10 double crit lib.

[Master Sin]

Main problem I have with solo mvping on sinx is the cost required to mvp. It's true that EDPs have gone down in price, at least on Loki, but still, most of the time, you'll get an elu/ori at best. I guess that's why I haven't really done much mvping. Of course, that isn't what this topic is about, just a mini rant from me! One mvp that is kind of cost-efficient that hasn't been mentioned is Mistress. Most people probably don't like mvping her because of the annoyance in finding her, or the fact that she's camped. Once you do find her though, just spam EDP SB with link and earth converter until she goes into flee mode, then use a crit weap until she dies. Make sure to re-endow!

[Atum]

Or just edp+crit from the beginning, which is also sufficient;)
Any quite high flee-sin should be able to talk both her and her mob without any problems.

What weapons are you using for sonic blow vs Mistress?
She needs 259 hit, which is quite hard to achieve with %-cards (and without limited items like this +30 hit-food), are you using ancient/howard alteisen-weapons?

[crash]

without limited items like this +30 hit-food

Sesame Pastries come in just about every other holiday patch - and sometimes in random events like the Chinese New Year one. They're not really that rare, especially if you just use it on Mistress once every hour. However, I still think that EDP critting her with the 7/10 Insect Crit Spec Jur would probably be the best choice.

[Master Sin]

Or just edp+crit from the beginning, which is also sufficient;)
Any quite high flee-sin should be able to talk both her and her mob without any problems.

What weapons are you using for sonic blow vs Mistress?
She needs 259 hit, which is quite hard to achieve with %-cards (and without limited items like this +30 hit-food), are you using ancient/howard alteisen-weapons?
Quad Ancient! Though, I probably would be better off just critting from the start.

[margafred]

If only Mistress in mRO follows the stats and MHP like iRO,it would be easy for me to camp it.Besides with her low damage it is very possible to use Katar class weapon to kill her without having any problems.

Too bad mRO has this overpowered Mistress,and its 99% impossible to solo her,let alone using a Katar weapon to kill her.Its possible to tank her damage if using a shield but to acquire that much HIT rate to hit her when you can only can have 1h dagger + shield option.

Mistress
LV - 74
HP - 680000
ATK - 3200~4530
DEF - 50+60
MDEF - 69+95
EXP/JOB - 70785/48906
SIZE - Small
ATTR - Wind4
RACE - Insect
100% - HIT 259
100% - FLEE 219

Maybe gonna need to spam alot of Assumptio scroll when against her i guess.

[Atum]

If you got decent agi to dodge her+mob the atk really shouldnt concern you since she will rarely hit you.
If you can dodge 4~5 alarms she should be no problem.
The only thing that does decent dmg which might have a chance of killing you after using it 4~5 times without you potting is her jupitel thunder.

But for the topic : since SBsinX usually dont have that much agi the higher atk might make her a little more difficult, but not more than white lady ;)

[pidge]

I wouldn't think a sinx would want to consider Kiel-D as an option given his flee, or can that be bypassed with link and food? Still seems annoying either way..

[rai-den]

powerup + kiel seems like it would hurt alot hmm i havent tried to tank him though (but with all that dex i dont think flee would help

[margafred]

Kiel is possible.Just reduce his mobs to 1 and kill him all the way.As for the hit,there're many ways to boost your hit..although its costly.

[rai-den]

I did Dracky TG recently

I want to try Vesper and Doppel with a party soon MC(for hit) Prof(for dispel) HP(For the obvious)

If i try Vesper though i think i'll need a hwiz to freeze the mob

[Atum]

I did Dracky TG recently
As melee-sinX i have to say i hate TGs weaponbreak (and sacrificing one cardslot for golemcard is meh :()

[rai-den]

Lol it didnt seem to be much of a problem he drops in about 20-35 seconds so he doesnt get the chance to break it often

[Wingates]

atum, get backup weapons :p

[Atum]

Lol it didnt seem to be much of a problem he drops in about 20-35 seconds so he doesnt get the chance to break it often
I'm too greedy to waste edp-bottles on TG since his droprates suck :rolleyes:
atum, get backup weapons
I do, unfortunately he sometimes breaks 2~3 of my weapons in less than 2 seconds,although his weaponbreak is supposed to have a 20 sec delay:confused:

But he's still very easy:gg:

[rai-den]

So I've basicly come up with a small list of mvps sinx's should be able to kill (not only solo) The list so far is.

Amon Ra (not so sure about after updates) but probably yes
Atroce: His mob isnt too huge so flee tanking him untill he powers up shouldnt be too bad if you have a HP you should be able to SW tank decently (havent tried)

Doppel: pretty basic tank and kill Exorcisor (lord my spelling) helps with the tanking
Kiel: will need HIT boosts for this one so a gypsy would probably be helpfull SW tank and kill

Maya: Arclouze make it very hard to tank (at least for me) the constant mob damage combined with mvp skills makes it hard to outpot even with def gears on. I came to realize that you could kill around 5 arclouze before she respawns more so doing so allows her to be soloable

Pharoah: Simple Tank and Kill. CK if you dont have too much def and IP if youre not afraid of his attacks at all

[Master Sin]

Amon Ra isn't hard at all, just watch out for coma, MS can hurt as well if you don't have fire armor. Atroce is VERY tough if he's powered up, does 2k per attack at like a 190 aspd, and 6k crits. Gonna need an HP to keep you SWed. Only other mvp I have a comment on is Pharoah. He isn't bad, but coma and SD can own you quick.

[WK]

Not to nitpick at the guys from other servers, but did you get the MVP buffs? Like dop doing powerup along with 2hq?

[Wingates]

idRO does get the same update as iRO, only not on the same timeline.

[crash]

11.3 looks like it's going to increase Spectre's ATK by about 1k. Because, you know, getting an 90 billion Huuma Blaze Shurikens is worth the frustration of him snatching you the second SWall goes down and then going on a tele frenzy until maint.

EDIT: Forgot to mention this is relevant because it might knock him down on the "worth it" scale of EDP SBing him (although he'll still go down in 1 lex'd, 1 unlex'd with a Link...if you want to drag your linker down there.)

[Ichigo]

only EDP SinX that MVP'd Samurai Spec solo that I've seen was on a jRO vid, and it was 99 agi + BC Buffs + Kafra Food galore.

I have yet to see a 99/70 pure SB SinX though -> STR 99 / DEX 99

[margafred]

So I've basicly come up with a small list of mvps sinx's should be able to kill (not only solo) The list so far is.

Amon Ra (not so sure about after updates) but probably yes >> 100% solo-able..if you can't solo it,its either your stats or your eqs is wrong.

Atroce: His mob isnt too huge so flee tanking him untill he powers up shouldnt be too bad if you have a HP you should be able to SW tank decently (havent tried) >> http://forums.irowiki.org/showpost.php?p=97219&postcount=403 depending on how you plan to tank him,i suggest its better you use a shield with you.2s is enough to destroy the SW once he goes 2h quicken mode...and without shield,i could imagine yourself being knockback to heaven by his Pulse Strike.If you plan to go with shield,then with proper eqs and assumptio,you should be able to solo him 1v1.

Doppel: pretty basic tank and kill Exorcisor (lord my spelling) helps with the tanking >> Basically if you can solo Atroce,then you should be able to solo Doppelganger too...however if you plan to solo him you should have enough immunity against stun status AND armor coat protection.Doppel is different than Atroce in many ways,for example he got Autoguard,Spiral Pierce,Break armor and Hammerfall which makes him one of the nasty MVP in RO..but its all easy to counter if you know how.

Kiel: will need HIT boosts for this one so a gypsy would probably be helpfull SW tank and kill >> Gypsy is good for their Focus Ballet skill...but i prefer Quagmire for many reasons...but if you could afford both,why not.However watch out for his Ganbantein...make sure that your Gypsy recast their skill again in case Kiel Ganbantein it away.

Maya: Arclouze make it very hard to tank (at least for me) the constant mob damage combined with mvp skills makes it hard to outpot even with def gears on. I came to realize that you could kill around 5 arclouze before she respawns more so doing so allows her to be soloable >> Its like what you said...leave 4 mobs beside her,and tank her until she die.The only attack of her that you should watch out is Brandish Spear.And it could be some pain in the ass if she combine it with Power Up.

Pharoah: Simple Tank and Kill. CK if you dont have too much def and IP if youre not afraid of his attacks at all >> Haven't try this one yet.But i don't feel like MVPing him anyway.


Amon Ra isn't hard at all, just watch out for coma, MS can hurt as well if you don't have fire armor. Atroce is VERY tough if he's powered up, does 2k per attack at like a 190 aspd, and 6k crits. Gonna need an HP to keep you SWed. Only other mvp I have a comment on is Pharoah. He isn't bad, but coma and SD can own you quick.
Atroce doesn't have critical slash,so flee is still useful against him.However if you think 2k dmg is too much for you to bear,then i suggest its better if you just use 1h dagger + shield way and with assum,you should be able to tank his attack all the way till he die.

[rai-den]

Problem is at which point does soloing become less effective than going with a party

I know for the bio2 mvp i burn about 70 ranked condenced pots and drop her in less than 30 seconds so i rather go alone

But for alot of other mvps its just so expensive

[saix]

How do you counter Atroce's Pulse Strike?

Is it dodge-able?

[margafred]

Why not?Unless if he do it when he in Power Up mode,you should be able to dodge his skills easily if you can dodge him 95% of the time.