AV Bug?

[not fat bard]

Anyone ever get the AV bug where it takes the arrow, sp, and puts you in the delay but it doesn't do anything. :( This happens to me alot in labs, TI3, thors.

[Acturos]

It happens when you have instant AV and you try to hit the monster withe the same property as your arrow.

Best way to fix is, move around and First Aid

[Deis' assault]

Anyone ever get the AV bug where it takes the arrow, sp, and puts you in the delay but it doesn't do anything. :( This happens to me alot in labs, TI3, thors.

I've only gotten this bug if you try to spam (the hell out of) AV while the animation is in progress. The only way to prevent it is to only precast AV once or twice while the last one's in progress to AV consecutively. To fix it, stop trying to cast AV while you're in the bugged animation delay or else it'll just consume arrows.

It happens when you have instant AV

For that situation it will still do it regardless of having 150 DEX or less.

[Jayed]

I've only gotten this bug if you try to spam (the hell out of) AV while the animation is in progress. The only way to prevent it is to only precast AV once or twice while the last one's in progress to AV consecutively. To fix it, stop trying to cast AV while you're in the bugged animation delay or else it'll just consume arrows.

No, no. I know the bug this person is talking about. Try to use a silver arrow on Errende in Bio2 or something- you don't do anything (stand in place), rather than AV and have a string of misses, and instead get a 3 second delay for no reason.

[not fat bard]

yeah you get put in the delay regardless of the same element etc etc, wasted a full bar of sp trying to av a kasa 1 time lol.. :( I think it's the spamming AV while in the animation, I didn't spam av as much and it never happened much after that.

[Jayed]

That's the other bug. If you're hit while clicking to AV, you sometimes get locked in the AV delay without launching the attack (as if your cast got canceled but you still have the animation time+delay). It still uses sp/arrow, too.

Same thing happens if you try to AV a monster with an element they absorb/take 0 from.

God I wish they'd fix some of these bugs that have been in the game for 2+ years.

[not fat bard]

nah, I'll deal with that AV bug, if they let me keep portal dazzler ;)

[Jayed]

Not in WoE 2.0 you won't :(

[Deis' assault]

No, no. I know the bug this person is talking about. Try to use a silver arrow on Errende in Bio2 or something- you don't do anything (stand in place), rather than AV and have a string of misses, and instead get a 3 second delay for no reason.

Actually there is a reason for it. Lets take two Earth Property monsters Vs AVing with Earth Arrows for example. One is Earth 3 and one is Earth 4.

If you AV the Earth 3 monster (example: Mi Gao), you will get a string of misses because it takes 0% from Earth Property attacks.

If you AV the Earth 4 monster (example: Dryad), you will get the AV delay without the animation and an arrow consumed because it takes -25% from Earth Property attacks.


As for Errende - being Holy 2 is equivalent to the Earth 4 example when it comes to using AV with a Holy property arrow (Holy 2 Vs a Holy attack = -25%). This results in getting the AV delay without the animation.

You'll only get the string of misses if they are Holy 1 which would be equivalent to the Earth 3 example (Holy 1 Vs a Holy attack = 0%). This results in a string of misses.

-Holy and Shadow properties work equally this way.


I don't really think this is a bug because you don't have to be a Minstrel or Gypsy to experience this. It just seems that's how the skill functions when using the skill against certain levels of elements. You could be a Bard/Dancer using Slinging Arrow or a Hunter/Sniper using DS. I'm sure it's less noticable on Hunters and Snipers because their animation delay from Double Strafing is far shorter than Arrow Vulcan but in the end will still yield the same results of not moving until the skill delay has finished.

[Lupus]

Separated the discussion in the The "Post your Archer class" Thread to it's own thread. Please keep off topic discussions to a minimum or you can create a new thread for it, thanks!

[amerlia]

Ah so that's the math for it.. interesting. -jots notes-

[Jayed]

Anyways I think it is just two different causes for the same symptom. Negative damages causes you to abort your attack, since I guess at some point the game makers decided that they didn't want people doing negative damage (I guess the original intent was you'd heal the monster?) but although the attack gets aborted, it still launches into the aftercast delay =/

And with the other bug it seems that you're getting animation bugged or something (i.e. your whipping/slinging animations are aborted in favor of the "I got hit" animation) which halts the skill for some reason, but since it did start, you consume all the skill's requriements, but never make it to the "I'm dealing damage" phase+animation, and after it's aborted, you have the aftercast delay.

And I am guessing in both instances it puts you into a frame that doesn't belong in any of the normal animations (idle/waiting, attacking, hit, etc) but rather some unusual "animation aborted" frame. And since you're in that irregular frame, the game isn't ready to accept new skill attacks (much in the same way you can't occult while doing the hands-out animation for monk even though occult has almost no delay, hence why people "dance" the skill) and new ones get aborted in the same buggy manner.

This, in my opinion, is a bug. Much like how after casting some ninja or gunslinger skills you're stuck in the pose and can't sit until you take a step. It's a sort of animation-prematurely-terminated-related bug.

[Jayed]

I have NEVER gotten a skillfail message with AV except when not using a Rope. Your rope was probably broken.

[Deis' assault]

Tested. It does not show as you say after getting the AV bug from pre-cast spamming. Thought I clearly saw skill failed that one time but I may have mixed the memory of that incident while using a fortune sword & AVing with a time I AV bugged. :)

[Atog]

before, AV doesnt bypass immune even though u using ele arrow. Is it fixed now?

[Kiniro]

before, AV doesnt bypass immune even though u using ele arrow. Is it fixed now?

Nope, has not been fixed since its release.

[not fat bard]

cause arrow vulcan is the most overpowered skill the in game, hence all the bugs and nerfs.

[Deis' assault]

I honestly believe the above post to be a sad and unfortunate truth.

[Rith]

not if they dont have phen on and not instant cast :D otherwise they fail to a sniper with good aspd :D i think..not really sure

[Deis' assault]

Hmm.

Burst damage - Minstrel/Gypsy > Sniper
Damage per sec- Minstrel/Gypsy < Sniper

Couldn't out MVP a Sniper - me playing both roles, Sniper has the advantage. It's situational which class works more efficiently.

In PVP, I've never lost to a Sniper duoing. But I've never had to deal with AVing with less than 150 dex. If someone bugged AV by spamming it because a Sniper always stopped their cast from coming out from having less than 150, then yeah, Sniper wins... but it's the Minstrel/Gypsy's fault unfortunately.

I'm more curious who'd win between a pure FA Sniper and a Minstrel/Gypsy. I should PVP Vig.

[Sora`]

No sniper should ever lose a duel with a Minstrel or Gypsy. With repel, traps, and arrow shower, a sniper should never be in range to get AV'd.

Also the same reason why a Minstrel/Gypsy should never lose to a mastersmith. Any minstrel/gypsy that doesnt carry a bow of some sort is a bad player.

But this is branching off of what the topic was started for.

[amerlia]

AV is great PvM. We all know this.

I know it has it's yays and nays in PvP, but I've found that supporting is the primary job of minstrels/gypsies. I've found myself just sling arrowing with status ropes/arrows for WoE now. PvP is very meh for me, since dazzler effects everyone including the party. Let's not mention how many times I've gotten the freakin' lovers card in PvP and WoE.. and chariot/death on minis/snipers I'm trying to tele. -_-;

Back on subject- I'm upset that even switching to a knife/bow when getting bugged doesn't allow you to move. I hate just standing there like a big idiot for 2 seconds. (Back when I was leveling in TT) Is there anything to do? Or we forced to see the boob-groping pose for the entire duration?

[Jayed]

No sniper should ever lose a duel with a Minstrel or Gypsy. With repel, traps, and arrow shower, a sniper should never be in range to get AV'd.

Also the same reason why a Minstrel/Gypsy should never lose to a mastersmith. Any minstrel/gypsy that doesnt carry a bow of some sort is a bad player.

But this is branching off of what the topic was started for.

WoE and Battlegrounds (the only real player versus player modes anyone should be playing) are not the same thing as PVP.

[Lenaxia]

You can use first aid to break the animation sometimes. I personally just take a step.

[Sora`]

WoE and Battlegrounds (the only real player versus player modes anyone should be playing) are not the same thing as PVP.

And as I've posted in your other retarded topics before, any minstrel or gypsy who AV's in woe is a bad player.............

Strings, Slow Grace, Dazzler, Tarot Card.... hell even Frost joke is 100x more useful than AV.

And you talking about Curse Arrows....
Definitely 20%. It's damn high. I use it with Arrow Vulcan and curse people frequently.

Why not sling arrow? Being able to get off 3-4 sling arrows in the same time for more chances to curse versus a shitty damage AV for 1 chance?

I will say it again......
Minstrels and Gypsies are NOT KILLERS

[Lenaxia]

Why not switch to a bow and arrow shower then? If you're on the defensive then it won't matter too much.

[Kiniro]

I will say it again......
Minstrels and Gypsies are NOT KILLERS

I just have to say this, we can kill but we aren't as effective as other classes can be.

[Deis' assault]

any minstrel or gypsy who AV's anything but Wizards, Hunters and Snipers in woe is a bad player

If they're alone especially, why wouldn't you?

I just have to say this, we can kill but we aren't as effective as other classes can be.

ThisThisThis.

[Sora`]

In woe, you have better things you should be doing....

I don't even know why you would even carry a pvp violin/whip around anyway....If it breaks it just gets in the way and will hurt you more than an occasional kill will help.

And I dunno how woe is on your servers, but no high wiz will die to a 1-2 AVs and will be able to pot through your damage and move on

[not fat bard]

minstrel's are great killers in geffen GD, scrubs always wear their hell shields and bathory armors and get owned by frostjoke offsscreen and av.

[Jayed]

And contrary to the retarded posts I've posted in other peoples' topics before, any minstrel or gypsy who doesn't use all the skills at their disposal strategically in woe is a bad player.............

Fixed. left out the part where you tell other people how to play their characters.

[Kiniro]

In woe, you have better things you should be doing....

I don't even know why you would even carry a pvp violin/whip around anyway....If it breaks it just gets in the way and will hurt you more than an occasional kill will help.

This is why I carry two violins, a pvp violin and an cp violin.

[Swift_Arrow]

Personally I will Use AV as support killing.

And an AV will kill a frozen wiz who has not invested in a valk armor and has his shit broken. Same for snipers and other squishy classes.

Theres a difference between knowing when to use each skill and spamming one skill over and over. Just like a minstrel who does only stringing all seige is pretty much just a string bitch/afk

[Jayed]

Personally I will Use AV as support killing.

And an AV will kill a frozen wiz who has not invested in a valk armor and has his shit broken. Same for snipers and other squishy classes.

Theres a difference between knowing when to use each skill and spamming one skill over and over. Just like a minstrel who does only stringing all seige is pretty much just a string bitch/afk

This expresses my sentiments. Frozen Targets have -50% def as an effect of frozen status, and the 175% makes AV somewhat potent. Enough to kill some of the squishier classes like High Wiz and Assassin Cross, definitely. Snipers are prey no matter what.

[devo1]

If you're a sniper and you're dieing to AV, kill yourself. If for some reason I am frozen, whichever be the case, I always put on a zephy to make sure if I get JT'd/wind AV'd ill take minimal dmg. After that, I'll swap back to deadly/unfro and be on my jolly way. You really shouldn't be dieing to AV in WoE, but in PvP if you're frozen and they're doing the AV hide thing, it's possible to kill a sniper

@Sora, why would a sniper never lose? Duel starts at 1 fading (atleast in Chaos), I repel they get there AV off, they hide. I need to get close to them before I can reveal them, in which case I'd be better off trap sliding. So, in the time it takes to do that, they can easily come out and AV me one more time which if I didnt bow switch properly brings me at 10% or something, and after that it's a ballgame as to if he can AV me before he has no SP + is repelled and DS spammed. (Assuming i'm fighting an non-failure, mid-high 9x minstrel/gypsy)

[Lenaxia]

Last I checked, freeze overrides your armor element, so switching to a zephy while frozen doesn't do you much unless you're talking about follow up attacks in which case, ok.

[DanFan]

Just don't AV or feel the wrath of Sora!!! I do agree, gypsys and minstrels are just support characters, no matter what you say. Minstrels has strings/song of lutie and Gypsys can just help people by stunning the enemies, or use gypsy kiss...idk. Either way, AV = bad damage in WoE. If you can kill someone with AV in WoE, congrats to you. I can just make another class and kill them more efficiently without having a 3second animation delay or making sure that its a wiz/hunter/sniper/frozen low hp character before I AV :stir:

But heck, I ain't telling people how to play their class, I'm just hoping people don't start thinking with AV they can go and AV spam someone, when they can be something else that could help the guild out more

[Kiniro]

If you're a sniper and you're dieing to AV, kill yourself. If for some reason I am frozen, whichever be the case, I always put on a zephy to make sure if I get JT'd/wind AV'd ill take minimal dmg. After that, I'll swap back to deadly/unfro and be on my jolly way. You really shouldn't be dieing to AV in WoE, but in PvP if you're frozen and they're doing the AV hide thing, it's possible to kill a sniper

@Sora, why would a sniper never lose? Duel starts at 1 fading (atleast in Chaos), I repel they get there AV off, they hide. I need to get close to them before I can reveal them, in which case I'd be better off trap sliding. So, in the time it takes to do that, they can easily come out and AV me one more time which if I didnt bow switch properly brings me at 10% or something, and after that it's a ballgame as to if he can AV me before he has no SP + is repelled and DS spammed. (Assuming i'm fighting an non-failure, mid-high 9x minstrel/gypsy)

Well, just taking my own stance on this, but yeah your right it can go either way if the people are fighting are decently skilled enought to know what they are doing. Plenty of times I've taken on snipers and won, but with every win there are losses to go with it. So it literally can go either way, with or without pots. If on the pvp aspect of it.

But in my own personal opinion a minstrel or gypsy fighting a sniper directly head on is probably not the smartest thing to do. Even though our survivabilty is greater than ours.

[devo1]

It does go both ways, sometimes its about luck. To Mike, I was talking about the follow up attack, or the chain AV.

[Rith]

yea so all you AV users SNIPERS = DANGER!! joke <3

[Kenny Loggins]

Being a fresh new Minstrel, I have just begun to experience the AV bug. Even with instant, it's a huge pain in the ass. I've actually died sometimes(lol @ no VIT and no pots) because of it.

[Sora`]

Since when are sinx's the soft/squishie targets you speak of? Most good woe sinx's have 80+ vit

[Kiniro]

Being a fresh new Minstrel, I have just begun to experience the AV bug. Even with instant, it's a huge pain in the ass. I've actually died sometimes(lol @ no VIT and no pots) because of it.

Grats you finally made minstrel. Took you long enough. :gg:

Since when are sinx's the soft/squishie targets you speak of? Most good woe sinx's have 80+ vit

I think they are getting at, that under certain circumstances sinx's equip a left hand weapon or equip a katar weapon which does not allow them to have a crainial equiped. That makes then vulnerable and thus squishy.

But of course they can just equip switch. But how quick they can switch between stuff and what they are doing at the time really determines whether or not they do switch.

[Jayed]

So yeah. There's a SinX running down an adjacent corridor, my party doesn't see them, I start to follow and tell them on vent where the sin is. I know the sin has 60+ VIT (most do) and Valkyrian armor. Dazzler has an almost unrealistic chance of working. Tarrot has a 3 second delay and the only particularly useful card is coma, which comes out perhaps 1-2% of the time. I think about doing AV with cursed arrows to hitlock/slow the SinX down (and make them eat 3-6 whites) before he or she can cloak and get away, but I'm not gonna. Sora said it'd make me a bad player.

A priest and I get to the emp first. I am doing dazzler to find any hidden enemies as we go in and the priest is doing ruwatch. The priest's ruwatch finds a sinx! Another sinx uncloaks nearby after seeing their buddy get found. They immediately go for the emperium! I slow grace and the priest casts safety wall on the emperium. One of the SinX's decides to EDP and sonic blow me since they can't hit the emperium with us there. I try to tarrot but it fails and I am stuck in 3 second delay. It happens again. I am just chugging whites and tanking waiting for my reinforcements (or rather just die and let them go back to attacking emp) rather than fighting back. 'Cause Sora said I should.

My guild and another are slaughtering each other in a lightly contested castle (not one of the main ones). Most of the people from both sides have died, and now the leaders of both sides are coming back to recall within the next 1-2 minutes. Of the couple of us there, a high wizard and a paladin decide to go after me and a high priest. The paladin has the wizard sac'd and the wizard doesn't have energy coat up. The paladin also clearly doesn't have defending aura up. I think back to what sora said and try to dazzler. The wizard stuns for about one and a half seconds. I wait for my 3 second delay to end and dazzler again. In between I am getting damaged by a wizard and a paladin. Damnit, why isn't this working? Sora said this was the end-all-be-all of what a Gypsy should be doing! What the heck? I must be pressing dazzler wrong. I could of course rely on a 1% chance to coma one of them every 3 seconds. I choose not to lex AV the wizard for 7k (which would painfully transfer over t the paladin) because Sora said so.

My guild is mostly tied up with the threatening members of the enemy alliance. Like 2 other Gypsies and I are dazzling. 2 linked Sins (nontrans) are sonic blowing my priest and a sniper is DSing her if she puts safety wall up instead of pneuma. She's having trouble out-healing. I could probably 1 shot kill each of the sins with lex, but I choose to keep doing dazzler. Sora said I should.

[Kiniro]

So yeah. There's a SinX running down an adjacent corridor, my party doesn't see them, I start to follow and tell them on vent where the sin is. I know the sin has 60+ VIT (most do) and Valkyrian armor. Dazzler has an almost unrealistic chance of working. Tarrot has a 3 second delay and the only particularly useful card is coma, which comes out perhaps 1-2% of the time. I think about doing AV with cursed arrows to hitlock/slow the SinX down (and make them eat 3-6 whites) before he or she can cloak and get away, but I'm not gonna. Sora said it'd make me a bad player.

My guild and another are slaughtering each other in a lightly contested castle (not one of the main ones). Most of the people from both sides have died, and now the leaders of both sides are coming back to recall within the next 1-2 minutes. Of the couple of us there, a high wizard and a paladin decide to go after me and a high priest. The paladin has the wizard sac'd and the wizard doesn't have energy coat up. The paladin also clearly doesn't have defending aura up. I think back to what sora said and try to dazzler. The wizard stuns for about one and a half seconds. I wait for my 3 second delay to end and dazzler again. In between I am getting damaged by a wizard and a paladin. Damnit, why isn't this working? Sora said this was the end-all-be-all of what a Gypsy should be doing! What the heck? I must be pressing dazzler wrong. I could of course rely on a 1% chance to coma one of them every 3 seconds. I choose not to lex AV the wizard for 7k (which would painfully transfer over t the paladin) because Sora said so.

For situations like this. If I'm just going for status effects, in my own personal opinion. I'd rather just use melody strike to get the effect off from a status arrow and still hit lock them. Imo it works better than arrow vulcan for those reasons, but then again I've got the aspd for that. So it may not be as vital to everyone as it is for me. But considering that I was still potent enough to do so with a more supportive build during the WPS tourny, its feasible.

But sure granted the situation I'll throw down an arrow vulcan every now and then. Either for damage sakes, just annoyance to other players, really does depend whats going on, or if I'm lucky enough to catch a "squishy" character to be lexed or just find someone who is just unlucky enough to get frozen. Hello elemental modifier.

But if they are in your face anyway. One of the more interestings that I like to do, due to how I've been built. Is continually use tarot while meleeing someone during the cool down time. Even sometimes I wouldn't recommend doing it but if someone is in your face, can't one hit KO you at the time and relatively not decked out in defence gear. By all means open season, but then again unless your a similar build as me, which face it I doubt anyone else would make a build like mine, this probably wouldn't matter to you anyway.

It's just fun to share ideas. :rolleyes:

[Easy Flow]

This thread is fucking awesome!

Sora sounds like an asshole in this thread, but with so many people arguing that AV is good in woe I can understand why!

Gypsy/Minstrel solo with a sinx? Hit lock them and curse them with AV for what purpose? To AV them some more? Usually in this situation I will keep running with them while throwing out cards. Lots of cards will annoy the fuck out of people, or simply disable them from doing much. I forgot to add... Pang Voice is -incredible- for these very situations. I've chaosed countless sinxs/LKs/MSes while catching them solo.

Pang Voice is a great skill, but completely forgotten by most.

Lots of people think Coma is the only good card. This is false, even some of the most common ones are the best.

The fool card will fuck over anybody who doesn't take a lot of sp items to woe... and even if they do, its annoying to refill your sp bar. If they don't have sp items? They become useless.

The chariot card. It breaks gears, I find that to be way more annoying than an AV.

The ATK/MATK cards can be great depending on the class also.

Tarot is obviously quite a bit better on minstrel because of link. But people have posted situations where dazzler won't be so effective. I think in these situations tarot would be much better than AV. Of course this is situational.

Minstrel can be full time strings and support killer with tarot+link in woe. I kinda feel sorry for gypsies, as this is very fun. :(

[DanFan]

Stuff about how she has to listen to Sora even though she always tells Sora off about how to stfu and not tell anyone how to play their class. It must be true love

Too lazy to quote each one and say what I would of done. So I'll just quote it all. First situation, just slow grace the Sinx if its running towards your emp room. And keep following him with slow grace up. If he EDPs, then good for him. He wasted a bottle on you and he's also got slow grace effect after killing you, meaning his EDP will eventually run out just killing you or another person. Score 1-0 for you

Second situation about the emp, you should of just stayed in SW and keep slow grace up. Why even bother to tarot card? Sure to get coma, but its such a bad delay and you're not guaranteed to get it. I rather keep slow grace up and have the priest keep SW on himself, the emp and you, if you care about the emp. You should know by now, Sinxs can have over 11k hp. A lex AV won't do 11k, so he'll be able to pot it back up, unless its an emp that doesn't matter, then just do whatever you want.

Third situation, because obviously a paladin can't outpot a 7k AV right? God what is wrong with Iris? Do people really can't outpot anything like 7k AVs which has an animation delay to let you pot? :confused: It would of been better if you just slow grace all of them and just walk away. Your AVs won't kill any pally/tank when you're 1 on 1 against them. So why even bother AVing them or dazzlering or even tarot carding them when you just have no chance of winning? Just slow grace, run away and wait for back up. You even safe your white pots too that Iris people seem to never use in your situations. But heck, if its not serious, then just AV and use your whites too. We'll see who dies in the end :stir:

Fourth situation, by all means, go AV them with lex. It possibly will kill them since afterall they are sins. But if its a sinx, don't even bother. They'll just outpot the damage if they really wanna use whites. Just kinda sad your priest can't just put SW up and take the DS damage. DS doesn't hurt that much either

Conclusion - Iris WoE is rarely ever serious in Jayed's view. It seems that everyone just wants to have some fun and doesn't like to use white pots. So I guess AV is acceptable on your server.
For Sora's and my case is different. We're both in a major guilds and both in opposing alliances. Dazzler/SlowGrace/Tarot>AV, thats how it is on Loki Woe. If I see a Gypsy from his guild AV, I will pm him and he will castrate that cross-dressing foo. If he see's a Gypsy in my guild AV...wait, there is no other Gypsy in my guild :o

So as I've pointed out the differences, lets all make up and no more debate about this junk kthx

[Jayed]

just slow grace the Sinx if its running towards your emp room. I am not sure how this is even logistically feasible unless I have the walk speed potion and they don't, since I'd have to catch up to them to slow grace under them.

Second situation about the emp, I don't understand how doing nothing is better than AVing, since at the very least you can make them burn whites in between flashing SG :confused:

Third situation,Again.. why not make them burn whites and delay them while your guild is coming in from behind? I don't see the advantage of walking away.

if they really wanna use whites. Again you want them to still have enough whites when they reach precast or not? :confused::confused:

Conclusion - Iris WoE is rarely ever serious in Jayed's view. It seems that everyone just wants to have some fun and doesn't like to use white pots. So I guess AV is acceptable on your server. I guess if you wanna infer that you can. Though your server is headed for the same fate, and people are predicting frugal potting if we get 4 woes/week.

Dazzler/SlowGrace/Tarot>AV, thats how it is on Loki Woe. I dazzler/slowgrace/tarrot like 80%+ of the time during woe, and I don't think I implied otherwise. I am just saying there are situations where the most damaging thing you can do is surely to AV or walk away, and at that point you're "being useless" you may as well make them waste whites imo. Also, people seem to have a gut reaction to being attacked by fighting back rather than ignoring you, which makes for a good stall/delay/decoy tactic. And you encounter enough people (at least on iris) where you can actually kill them (poor gear? not enough money for whites? who knows.) plus pretty much any nontrans hunter/rogue/sin/bard/dancer/wizard/sage/agi-knight gets their ass kicked by AV still, especially after Battle Lariat/Guitar.

edit:

Also, would it be okay if I just pruned this thread and moved some of the posts to a topic called "Is AV okay to use in WoE?" to get the two topics separated?

[Sora`]

So yeah. There's a SinX running down an adjacent corridor, my party doesn't see them, I start to follow and tell them on vent where the sin is. I know the sin has 60+ VIT (most do) and Valkyrian armor. Dazzler has an almost unrealistic chance of working. Tarrot has a 3 second delay and the only particularly useful card is coma, which comes out perhaps 1-2% of the time. I think about doing AV with cursed arrows to hitlock/slow the SinX down (and make them eat 3-6 whites) before he or she can cloak and get away, but I'm not gonna. Sora said it'd make me a bad player.

A priest and I get to the emp first. I am doing dazzler to find any hidden enemies as we go in and the priest is doing ruwatch. The priest's ruwatch finds a sinx! Another sinx uncloaks nearby after seeing their buddy get found. They immediately go for the emperium! I slow grace and the priest casts safety wall on the emperium. One of the SinX's decides to EDP and sonic blow me since they can't hit the emperium with us there. I try to tarrot but it fails and I am stuck in 3 second delay. It happens again. I am just chugging whites and tanking waiting for my reinforcements (or rather just die and let them go back to attacking emp) rather than fighting back. 'Cause Sora said I should.

My guild and another are slaughtering each other in a lightly contested castle (not one of the main ones). Most of the people from both sides have died, and now the leaders of both sides are coming back to recall within the next 1-2 minutes. Of the couple of us there, a high wizard and a paladin decide to go after me and a high priest. The paladin has the wizard sac'd and the wizard doesn't have energy coat up. The paladin also clearly doesn't have defending aura up. I think back to what sora said and try to dazzler. The wizard stuns for about one and a half seconds. I wait for my 3 second delay to end and dazzler again. In between I am getting damaged by a wizard and a paladin. Damnit, why isn't this working? Sora said this was the end-all-be-all of what a Gypsy should be doing! What the heck? I must be pressing dazzler wrong. I could of course rely on a 1% chance to coma one of them every 3 seconds. I choose not to lex AV the wizard for 7k (which would painfully transfer over t the paladin) because Sora said so.

My guild is mostly tied up with the threatening members of the enemy alliance. Like 2 other Gypsies and I are dazzling. 2 linked Sins (nontrans) are sonic blowing my priest and a sniper is DSing her if she puts safety wall up instead of pneuma. She's having trouble out-healing. I could probably 1 shot kill each of the sins with lex, but I choose to keep doing dazzler. Sora said I should.

I play on a shitty server where no one knows how to play RO. Arrow Vulcan is the most powerful skill since it deals 9 hits for instant damage with a 1200% multiplier. With that high of a multiplier it must be awesome for one shotting people. People here obviously don't pot either if they can die to 2-3 AVs when it would take around 10 seconds to even cast that many. Also the sinx's are retarded because they never put on a cranial.

/end sarcasm

Good sinx's keep a cranial on always when they're on an emp unless its completely uncontested like an end fort you're milking. That is of course unless they're sonic blowing, but thats mainly for defensive purposes, offensive sinx's go straight to emps.

Hell I don't know anyone thats in a serious woe guild that would die to AV. Even on a high wiz you're taking at least 3 AVs to kill them in woe, and more than likely they're potting or sac'd. Hell even your scenario of the Pally sac'ing a high wiz....... a pally would have at least 15k hp. Theres no way you can kill the paladin through the wizard unless the paladin gets frozen (hell you'd probably have to freeze both of them to even have a chance at dealing decent damage).

As for wasting a sinx's pots.... congrats, you maybe wasted 3 white pots out of the 200+ they're carrying from your arrow vulcan. Even with a 3 second delay, I would tarot someone over AV them every time if its a serious woe battle. It's different if you're playing around with noob guilds (although it seems thats all of Iris, or at least all the ones you are involved with).

To the guy earlier that says you can just carry a CP violin and a pvp one..... if your pvp violin breaks it messes up your weapon switching so you can't dagger stop anymore.

I think Jayed's loki counterpart would be ExileAngel. Ive seen him get recalled, and instead of stringing his entire guild, he rather run off and try to AV someone.

@DanFan: Opposing alliances? The one woe in Insur was it? Heading back to Defiance?

[Kiniro]

To the guy earlier that says you can just carry a CP violin and a pvp one..... if your pvp violin breaks it messes up your weapon switching so you can't dagger stop anymore.

Yeah well considering if my weapon breaks, oh well to bad so sad thing goes through my mind. But then again I was stupid enough to keep it out while I'm not attacking or not switch it back when recieving damage then thats really no one else fault but my own now is it.

But at the same time granted if that does happen, well I'm just glad I can get through my inventory quick enough to remedy that. Its not like its the end of the world. :rolleyes:

[amerlia]

@DanFan: Opposing alliances? The one woe in Insur was it? Heading back to Defiance?

He already went back.

...and back off Dan. >=( Last time I AV'd was.. when I misclicked because I forgot to switch it to SA. >=O And before that, I AV'd to take down a sniper with traps that were in the way and it was easy to hit him from the door area.. Baulder 1? Granted I didn't kill him.. but it did help chip his life away under the SG, so support? xD I was bored and it was a pointless seige since both our alliances broke already. So that was what.. a month ago? =p

All I have to say is.. different servers different views on things. Looking at My, Dan's and Sora's views.. we seem to come to agreement that AV on our server is pointless compared to our songs, Tarot and our shouting things (haha). But that's just our opinions. Everyone is allowed to have their own.

BUT !! We're far from the subject, I suggest there should be a new thread created if you want to continue this debate and let this thread be about the AV bug. =D

[DanFan]

Actually Ame, what I meant was, I've rarely ever seen any of your gypsys and minstrels AV, mainly because I'm always getting stunned by 2 of your gypsys in strings. Thats what I meant. But if I do see anyone AV thats a gypsy I will sure let Sora know =P And yes Sora, it was only ever going to be one woe for me in Insur. I've not told Pom to pay me the supplies back since it was only around 400whites and a few yggs/blues on my champ that I used that woe. Pretty cheap imo

[Soukosa]

That cast interruption bug isn't unique to AV but applies to any skill with a cast time. It happens when you get hit just as you start to cast the skill. I get it every now and then with my priest with Mag and Assum, especially in mobby areas. Quite annoying yes.

Doesn't the immune element bug also show up with other skills or was that fixed with others (as I remember Hunters whining about it before or something)? It'd basicly just use the element of the weapon when handling elemental reductions rather than the actual element of the skill.

You can all go back to your PvP job arguments now :p