AV bug

[Isaboy]

Sometimes when i'm leveling i can't use AV. The sp goes down but the skill doesn't work, i've got instant cast AV. And also when this happens i can't move at all and i end up dying unless i fwing. Does this happen to anyone else? is it isolated to AV or otehr things?

[metatron]

It usually happens when you get hit by a monster the second you cast it or the second the cast ends. Insta-cast is not truly insta-cast if the skill originally has a cast bar to begin with. It is annoying as hell but it does happen to AV and almost every skill >_<

[Rastaban]

It makes my blood boil.

[Boom]

Yes, it happens to me all the time. I hate it D:<

[Trizone]

It can also happen if you use the wrong arrows and AV misses. Like in TT where you'd use both shadow and silver arrows; use the wrong one and you cant use AV untill you either wait a few seconds or move before using AV again (even after switching to the correct arrows)

[Isaboy]

It happened to me a lot and caused a lot of unnecessary deaths. :[ Just deal with it I guess.

But i don't want to deal with it ;o;

Has anyone emailed the GMs and gotten a response about it?

[The Doctor]

i put in a detailed bug report to the GMs about a year ago, give or take, when the BBS was still up. received no reply, nor saw any kind of recognition of it by the GMs. i'm sure that since then there's been a number of other people complaining to them, but as you can clearly see, the bug still exists, so nothing seems to have been done in quite a long amount of time.

[Expt626]

yea I experience that alot too... sucks >.>
Happens with or w/o phen as well.

[not fat bard]

Oh I thought I was the only one this happened to. I usually just hide to prevent deaths though. @_@

[Isaboy]

What are the details of the bug?


Does this only happen with Instant cast AV?
It happens when you cast AV and get interupted?
How long does it last?
Can you use other skills while this is happening?
If so what skills can you use?
If you Hide then unhide can you use AV again or is there a set time to how long it lasts?


WHY THE HECK CAN'T I MOVE FOR (what seems like) FIVE SECONDS?

[Elulu]

I think the reason you can't move is the server still recognizes the animation delay. It used to happen to me a lot in AL3, I just kill anything on me first so I don't usually have to deal with it, but if I do get bugged, I generally just move around and try to kill again.

As far as I know, you can't use skills during the bug, and you have to move to get out of it cause it'll kinda freeze you in place. Just make sure you always bring flywings since you can still use items incase of a mob, and that your partner is aware of the bug so they can tele away if necessary.

[Joey]

you should have first aid keyed, i think this works?

[Boom]

I think the reason you can't move is the server still recognizes the animation delay. It used to happen to me a lot in AL3, I just kill anything on me first so I don't usually have to deal with it, but if I do get bugged, I generally just move around and try to kill again.

As far as I know, you can't use skills during the bug, and you have to move to get out of it cause it'll kinda freeze you in place. Just make sure you always bring flywings since you can still use items incase of a mob, and that your partner is aware of the bug so they can tele away if necessary.That would make sense... It does seem to last as long as AV's animation (about 3 seconds). Maybe a problem with cast interruption packets still being sent when you have instant cast. The worst part is spending 300+ sp before you realize what's going on ):

I have hid while "av bugged" and I could move/use AV after un-hiding, but it might've just been a coincidence.

[Forgottenesper]

When you have instant cast arrow vulcan:

Let's say you arrow vulcan a gold acidus with a silver arrow.

It's holy on holy - it misses. But the way instant cast AV works is, since it misses; nothing happens.

Yet your character is still registered doing the animation and missing for the durration of the skill.

So you are 'stuck' for a few seconds as your character really casts AV - You just can't see it.

[Myzery]

I just get in the routine of moving alot or hiding.

[Vienna]

Nah it's not the 'holy on holy' the original poster meant; it's the 150+dex getting stuck like a wizard of Me priest would mid SW, only their SW will go off and they're 'stuck' unable to cast another cast-time based spell. You need to do an instant spell like IC, first aid, hide, sight, or move (often you can't immediately move for some odd reason).

This bug is less annoying than the original AV bug, if you had any cast time at all and were stuck, you stuck. Period. You couldn't just cast again, you had to move to break the lock and try again. =\ Pissed me off when rebirth was implemented.

[Anselme]

Yeah, it seems to be something with 150+ Dex.

When I used to camp HWs in Labs, and if there was another bard there, standing in their MS was bad news for me because one AV would go off and that was that. :[ I would get stuck for like...5-10 seconds before I could get it off again.

I dunno, when I encountered this problem is was mostly when I was standing in another bard's MS.

[Iluvatar]

It's the same effect of being Spell Breaked. Animation delay just suck, even more when you can't see it >_>.
The best way to get over it is to just take a step to the right next's cell. That make the animation delay ends, but I guess in AV's cases the skill delay will continue.

[Myzery]

I never had it happen in labs, just on stuff that hits fairly quickly like Peachtree's, the mimic family, Abyss dragons, some TT monster, etc.

The worst part for me was that it ate all my sp before I realized it.

[Bluedreams]

Actually, it does it to me on my gypsy at 140 dex, if I get my cast stopped, or "miss", it does the same thing you all say it does at 150.

Sucks SP like crazy once you're stuck...

[Kris]

It happens to me everywhere pretty often. =(

[Trizone]

Think Elulu covered it pretty good. You're stuck in a motion delay that isnt necessarily showing. And if you try to AV again before the previous motion ends (or was supposed to end, if you could have seen it), you'll keep locking yourself down. I know both hide and moving works, as for first aid, I'd have to try that next time I go on minstrel.

[Steph]

hide + unhide.

First aid works? oh damn i wish i knew this.

[Jayed]

I usually use improve concentration and take a step when it happens to me

[Rav]

Anything that targets you (even if it may not seem to) works. Like mentioned, first aid and improve concentration, although your IC hotkeyed is probably 10. Not that bad to hotkey IC 1 of course, however. If you have the clip, sight (this is one of the ones that does not seem to target you, but it "has no target" --> is actually targetting the player) or magnum break. The self-target skills do not have to be instant cast btw, mag works for priests.

[Accidents]

Ruwach is my favorite on Priests, and IC 1 for Archers.

[Kiniro]

I usually use Level 1 Melody Strike just to break from being Cast Frozen. Sure I lose an arrow, but meh whats an arrow.

[Jayed]

I have more SP than I know what to do with, usually, so I just IC 10.

[TerraKaze]

Make a 150 dex biochemist, all signals of a 'animation' seem to disappear with acid bomb. Thats something to write the gm's about cause thats bullshit.

[Lucente]

It's the same effect of being Spell Breaked. Animation delay just suck, even more when you can't see it >_>.
The best way to get over it is to just take a step to the right next's cell. That make the animation delay ends, but I guess in AV's cases the skill delay will continue.

Yup! Happens to my high priest tons too. I get hit and I can't do anything. You can move a cell, but if you're tanking something that could potentially one-hit you out of Safety Wall, quickly hide and unhide. On my priest I do that or cast teleport and hit cancel.

[Rav]

I think the skill I stated is much better to kick you out of the bugged state. At least you use some things though, I've seen 99 HPs and various 99 other trans classes that just stand there and wonder why they can't recast safety wall.

[Isaboy]

Wow, it looks like this bug affects most spell casters ;o;.

Does Doddler have any detailed info that could give us more insights? Maybe kRO or jRO have fixed it?

[Gaby]

tried to use /bangbang after it happens?

usualy when I use it in after skill delay like magnum break I get disconnected instant(same as walking while talking to npc)... rater get disconnected than killed.

[Doddler]

Wow, it looks like this bug affects most spell casters ;o;.

Does Doddler have any detailed info that could give us more insights? Maybe kRO or jRO have fixed it?

Its a bug that unfortunately plagues all servers. The caster issue is a client side bug, not much to be done about it.

However, the AV bug is a very interesting/unusual one. During testing my friend did (very illegal packet stuff), he found that AV (and sonic blow too) allows you to cast skills during the delay, but any skill you 'try' to cast will have no effect (but still delay). While you can't normally bug sonic blow cause it has no cast time, you can with AV cause the client messes up and thinks it can cast when it can't, allowing you to cast skills that will not have any effect. Or something like that.

[Dr. Azzy]

Doddler, at some point i recall you posting that there was a client hack that had been done in the past to bypass animation-type delays, like that with OI and some other skills. I dont remember if AV was one of those skills, but if it was, might this bug be an attempt to prevent that exploit? Or are the issues unrelated?
-Az

[Alaskan]

I have gone through this as well. The way I prevent it is to not spam AV of targets. Let the animation pass, then AV again.

[Isaboy]

But doddler, the skills you cast while in the AV delay still work, I cast tele while in the delay and teleport away before the animation finishes.

[DanFan]

I think he meant skills that actually have a cast time don't work. He said that at times the client thinks you can try and cast any skill during the animation, but infact you can't.

Try doing the AV bug without instant cast and you can see at times that when you bug it, you are still casting AV (you see the castbar and lose sp) but you won't do any damage (just like doddler - 'any skill you 'try' to cast will have no effect '). However, teleport and hide doesn't have a cast time, hence why you can cast it during the animation. Just like Backsliding when SBing.

At least thats what I've noticed from playing Gypsy and gathered from reading what Doddler said

[Doddler]

Doddler, at some point i recall you posting that there was a client hack that had been done in the past to bypass animation-type delays, like that with OI and some other skills. I dont remember if AV was one of those skills, but if it was, might this bug be an attempt to prevent that exploit? Or are the issues unrelated?
-Az

OI has no delay though, its unique that the animation actually specifies a one second pause on the last frame. OI dancing works for this reason; moving cancels that delay. Only two skills that have a no move delay I believe are VA and Sonic Blow.

The bug is definitely seems to prevent exploits. It appears that there's specific code that prevents skills from casting during the delay, but seems to rely on the client to stop you from starting a cast. Its just unfortunate that you can perform it with the client in unusual circumstances.

[Awake]

I can vouch it happens with Magnificat, Esma and SD, too. ;_;