Wind Walker

[Pwn]

Ok, just wondering is Wind walker really worth it? I mean thats 9 Job levels that could go into traps etc etc. So yeah is it worth it?

[Wakelord]

I'm sure most other people here will disagree, but I love it to bits.

Increased walk speed for 5 minutes, and more flee? Lovely. Helps me solo-mob monsters by keeping them out of my range, sins (and other high flee classes) love me for the flee boost, but yeah, I mostly just like it for the increased survivability/mobility/killing more monsters per hour.

[devo1]

Terrible. Don't get it, make a buffslave, please. Such a waste of skillpoints.

[Nealix]

If you solo without buffs it's good.

[Yakut]

I like it. >:

[Pusher]

I like it, but I also have alot of SP to use it frequently. Not alot of snipers like wasting 100 sp for a group agi up when they can make a priest do it. Just depends on your style of play, and build I suppose.

[devo1]

Alright, let me break this down. First of all, if you don't have a buffslave, just make one.. it's not that hard. Windwalker is a shitload of SP, it goes away if you go through portals, it adds 5 flee but DOESN'T give you increase-agility physics, you walk almost as fast as increase agi ( so not even agiup ) and your aspd stays the same. Get an agi up from a buffslave, you lose no SP, you have more aspd, and you walk faster and get flee.

[nyamo]

and a buff slave cost more money :p

Personally.. i always thought highly of it in siege. Fastest way to get a party agi'd in up a castle.. WW. Saves the priest a tonne of grief too.

Personally, i have WW. i solo'd my sniper so that is probably why. Devo is right though, if u have access to a buff slave, don't bother at all, if u don't, it's not a bad skill imho. SP cost is too high though.

[l)ark(fathom]

If you plan to build your sniper as pvm and will hardly ever pvp or anything like that it is more than worth getting.

Also it can come in handy in some situation in woe when sitting there to agi an entire party would do more harm than good.... though now they have windwalker scrolls/oeco headband and the likes for that.

[devo1]

WW doesn't give anything but enchanced move speed, and +5 flee. Tell your priests to stop being lazy and agi people up. The WW move speed is LESS than increase agi, infact.

[nyamo]

right and in woe.. they don't agi up to give ppl agi, they agi ppl up so they can walk faster.

[devo1]

Most people benefit just as much from the agi up. What kind of shitty guild is too lazy to use AGI up? You can agi up 20-30 people in a minute, why would you cut shit off and use WW?

[nyamo]

and when u just get recalled or u jus twalked through quag while trying to rush a castle, u going to wait for your priest to agi up u? No u keep walking, then just throw up WW and they get that agi up.

Oh, ask any priest, it's annoying as hell agi'ing up 12 ppl, when 1 skill can still give the walking speed for everyone else. Nothing is stopping them from giving the classes that need the +10 agi that extra cast either.

[Pusher]

WW has its uses. Again it depends. I don't see why certain people have such hatred for the skill. Making a Buff Slave its cute and shows that you have that extra commitment to the game , but in certain situations , especially in WoE I see myself using WW with instant cast on whole groups then casting a whole damn guild and a few others. And then again some people don't wanna waste time alt-tabbing to just get an Agility Up.

It also depends on your build. If your a DS/FAS Spammer like most Snipers, then I can see why people cry so much about the skill, I would to. I personally would just stick to your Agi Up's. But if you have a large SP pool, its just something helpful to have in certain situations, More WoE then any other thing personally from what I have seen. Just to point out. Some priest are just unreliable.

[Mocha]

The SP cost is too much. Don't get it.

[devo1]

Sigh, get better non-failure priests.

[Maedhros]

This shit will be requisite for some Ranger skill, I can bet this... D:
Anyway, we have Agi Up/Wind Walker scrolls here. So it's useless for me. ;/

[devo1]

Who uses buff scrolls.. :(

[nyamo]

someone who is incredibly rich with buff scrolls...

and devo1.. i ask u this...

u have 2 priests in a party 12. What is fastest method of getting everyone agi'd up? It would take at least 6 agi up cast on from each priest assuming they target everyone and not target teh same person. Sure they would spam agi regardless.. but why make everyone else in teh party wait when 1 instant cast WW will the same job?

[Deis' assault]

No matter how you look at it, WW9/10 can be useful in WoE. Even if your guild has Priests you might not always have them around to get everyone. It might not be the most practical/dependable skill but is useful (kind of like most Sniper skills in general except traps during woe hours). SP shouldn't be an issue here because what type of shitty Sniper wouln't carry blues?

For PVM/anything else, it seems even less useful unless you're just walking around a map with no Priest in sight. It should really be fixed to go through portals. A skill that uses so much SP that doesn't give full AGI Up walking speed should not be punishable by quag, or at least make it use a certain amount of SP based on the # of party members...

... but those opinions belongs in the other thread in this section, doesn't it?

[devo1]

SP isn't an issue at all in War, all I'm saying is, Priests buff anyway, right? Blessing? Or are you telling me shitty people also use bless scrolls in WoE? So priests bless, just toss an AGI up in there, takes a half second more in strings. And a guild with 30 people shouldn't only have 2 priests, make it 4 priests on avg. Also, good luck getting WW10 that early in sniper life, unless you NEVER PvP, no good sniper will ever tell you WW is worth it. I can guarantee that much.

[Maedhros]

Who uses buff scrolls.. :(

Me. =]

[Feint]

Wind Walker is probably one of the worst supportive skills ever given to a character on RO. The skill costs around 20% of a sniper's SP, but only gives 5 flee and a slightly increased walking speed. That's just pathetic.

Also, if your guild's priests are ebayed, suck for whatever reason or are not available, use Authoritative Badges. Their effect isn't even canceled by Slow Grace, Quagmire and whatnot. Probably one of the best items dropped at a reasonable rate by easy monsters.

[Pusher]

no good sniper will ever tell you WW is worth it. I can guarantee that much.

:rolleyes: GHESS

The SP cost is extremely retarded no doubt. I wonder what gravity is thinking of when they do such failing things like that. I wish they focused on fixing skills then making more crap for Kafra shop.

[Deis' assault]

Gravity was expecting all Snipers to be pure FA and have 99 INT.

Must've been the first trans class they made.

[Rith]

gravity is retarded thats all but yea dont get Wind walker please, just use it for more usefull skills like talkie box it is really helpfull :D

[Simple.]

Gravity is infamous for making completely useless skills.

I'd say WW could be good, but I mean +5 flee and walk speed...especially for 100 sp? They could of done so much better, they should of just done walk speed better than agi up and give you an attack speed increase roughly around an awake pot to your entire party. That would be useful, and have group utility.

I wouldn't expect gravity to make anything useful though!

[Aishagurl]

someone who is incredibly rich with buff scrolls...

and devo1.. i ask u this...

u have 2 priests in a party 12. What is fastest method of getting everyone agi'd up? It would take at least 6 agi up cast on from each priest assuming they target everyone and not target teh same person. Sure they would spam agi regardless.. but why make everyone else in teh party wait when 1 instant cast WW will the same job?

Because that's one scenario where having level 10 WW would be useful, when most sniper are at a shit job level anyways, mine doesn't even have max SP trap at job 60 cause I fucked up and got WW 4.

Im going to have to agree with the get some better priests from the first sentence, they should be rebuffing before its out anyways.

I think it's useless and a waste of skill points.

So concluding from everyone elses posts

If you want to solo without a buff slave:
Get WW 10 which you porbably wouldn't evne have til you were so high leveled you dont wan't to solo without buffs anymore.

If you dont:
Skip it entirely

Also I never saw the SP as a problem ince its every 5 minutes but then again with out bless and mag and most snipers lacking any int whatsoever I guess that would create one.

also also this

:rolleyes: GHESS

The SP cost is extremely retarded no doubt. I wonder what gravity is thinking of when they do such failing things like that. I wish they focused on fixing skills then making more crap for Kafra shop.

If it's walking speed you want, buy some peco wings (:

[Pusher]

Again for god sakes people it depends on the f'ing build. And what you usually do in WoE. Seems like everyone sits on there ass in the Emp room. Then I guess wind walker is useless..

Example from the poster above. I don't see myself getting SP Trap to 5 on my sniper its a waste of skill points in my case, I don't PvP (Only real place i can see it being great cause of being able to move traps), in WoE people carry so much SP recovery stuff you would just be wasting time wasting your SP trapping and plus there is no push back, other then that its just cute ill keep it at 2 or 3. Its simple. Not everyone is the same. Seriously, the topic should be named "Wind walker, helpful with certain builds?" Just naming it Wind Walker brought to many crying children, with biased opinions on there build.



If it's walking speed you want, buy some peco wings (:

Yes, cause im going to run around WoE with a a shitty head gear on, I play the game intensely but I don't go into the extreme nerd style on switching headgears , especially on my sniper, No use. Sorry I don't set hot keys for crap. Other then wind walker in this case lmao.

[Deis' assault]

One could just buy a box of wind walker scrolls for testing and see the worth of the skill for themselves.

[Aishagurl]

Yes, cause im going to run around WoE with a a shitty head gear on, I play the game intensely but I don't go into the extreme nerd style on switching headgears , especially on my sniper, No use. Sorry I don't set hot keys for crap. Other then wind walker in this case lmao.

So you play intensely enough to get offended by my 'biast post' about whether a skill is useful or not, but not enough to switch gears ?_?

I'm not sure why you're saying it's biast based on a build, I don't pvp or siege and my sniper and I never really have. I actually do have some levels of WW and have been able to use it. Judging by the sniper skill tree, sp tree, and availibilty or things like priests and peco bands, it's useless. Crying children with biast opinions on their build? It's people offering their advice in saying it's absolutely useless. Both the pvm and pvp snipers are saying the same thing. You're the one biast and crying here. ):

[Wakelord]

One could just buy a box of wind walker scrolls for testing and see the worth of the skill for themselves.

Oh no! A smart suggestion! Get it away from here! Only extremists allowed!

So you play intensely enough to get offended by my 'biast post' about whether a skill is useful or not, but not enough to switch gears ?_?

I'm not sure why you're saying it's biast based on a build, I don't pvp or siege and my sniper and I never really have. I actually do have some levels of WW and have been able to use it. Judging by the sniper skill tree, sp tree, and availibilty or things like priests and peco bands, it's useless. Crying children with biast opinions on their build? It's people offering their advice in saying it's absolutely useless. Both the pvm and pvp snipers are saying the same thing. You're the one biast and crying here. ):
*biased.

And I believe what it trying to be said is that people are saying "don't get it no matter what" (devo1, Reina), while those who are saying "yeah, it can be useful" are getting too sensitive and over-reacting if someone says "nah, it's actually kinda crap".

I like it because I solo alot on my sniper, and when I make random parties on my slinger/ninja, having a sniper in the party is nice. 'Specially when we don't have a support priest. (Monks/battle priests have kinda crappy sp :n). For the more "hard-core" snipers out with their buff-slaves, then windwalker would normally be useless.

[devo1]

Alright, you guys go make your snipers and never use AGI up, get wind walker! I just hope you never step into PVP or WoE cause you'll get smashed both ways.

[Feint]

I met a sniper who skilled Wind Walker 10 before True Sight(Falcon Eyes). Discuss.

[devo1]

Hydrobaby?

[Tor]

I met a sniper who skilled Wind Walker 10 before True Sight(Falcon Eyes). Discuss.

I did that because I soloed in Pyramids 4 to Level 90 and never used Falcon Eyes :eek:

[devo1]

Cause you're a failure? Why WOULDNT you use something that adds +20% or is it +25% attack, and adds atleast 1 aspd bonus, along with vit, int, and probably another dex bonus, AND 5 flee.

[Tor]

No buff slave and I would rather have faster walk speed than everything you just mentioned.
Even when I got maxed Falcon Eyes in the 80's I still didn't use it for soloing because it sucked up too much sp.

[Pusher]

Alright, you guys go make your snipers and never use AGI up, get wind walker! I just hope you never step into PVP or WoE cause you'll get smashed both ways.

lmao..... someones sucked on to many dicks or just has one up there ass.

[Feint]

Calm down. People are just giving opinions about the skill, no need to insult anyone for doing so. You are free to post in the ranters section if there's need for that.

[devo1]

And this thread is proof as to why 99.9% of Sniper's suck.

[Wakelord]

No, this thread is proof of the amount of bigotry around here.


If you don't conform to devo1's opinion your a failure omg. Please devo, is 91 agi or 92 agi needed?!?!?! If I have my arbalest at +9 instead of +10 do I suck cocks or have one up my arse? Please lorder, master and god, how 2 sniper?

[Deis' assault]

Oh no! A smart suggestion! Get it away from here! Only hydroers and elitists allowed!

And this thread is proof as to why 99.9% of Sniper's suck.

Reformatted.

It'd be nice to bring these opinions to a conclusion. Wind Walker does have more drawbacks depending on the situation, that's clear. Where most people feel the same about those downsides whether it's SP consumption or it's general abilities (or lack of), in the end it depends on how the user values its usefulness. If you think the SP consumption is too much, dislike the walking speed of lvl 9/10, don't care of its use in parties that should have a Priest in them, then don't get it if you can find better use in your trap skills. But if you feel that the use of the skill can be beneficial for however you plan to play your character be it solo (Priest slave around or not) or in a group, then by whatever means, get it. If you're not sure how well it works, just find a Sniper with the skill or Kafra shop it.

[Rith]

SCREW YOU ALL!! he can do what ever he/she/it wants its their own char!! so let him be creative :D i dont know im just bored