what skills should bards/dancers get for 11.2

[kgirluvr]

are there any skills really worth mentioning that will help for 11.2, in terms of MVPing or Thors in party sharing or just slaving? thanks

[Rastaban]

Mental Sensing if you're on Chaos.
You never know when it'll come in handy.

[Jayed]

Someone mentioned party ideas with acoustical rhythm, but that's something of a pipe dream IMO.

Mental Sensing is still the most practical thing you can do, and that'd give you Acoustic Rhythm 3 anyway.

[Kris]

AR 5 is great for WoE, and you can still fit CP.

-edit-

Er, didn't notice this was for dancers, so the CP comment might not even matter as it might not have vit.

[kgirluvr]

applies to both classes and their trans

[Shiroi]

Maxed Mental sensing is always good. Magic strings for bard (maxed) and Music lessons is good.

[Kiniro]

Someone mentioned party ideas with acoustical rhythm, but that's something of a pipe dream IMO.

I know, sad isn't it. It has a lot of potential just not a lot of "frequent" uses. Tell you this though, if someone could come up with really interesting effective way to use it during WoE I'd be interested in seeing that.

[Jayed]

I know, sad isn't it. It has a lot of potential just not a lot of "frequent" uses. Tell you this though, if someone could come up with really interesting effective way to use it during WoE I'd be interested in seeing that.

to be honest, for WoE, the real issue is that you need like more dancers in guid than you know what to do with--

1) Classical Pluck
2) Slow Grace
3) Dazzler of course

Dancers are probably delegated to more useful skills first, and 9x dancers definitely aren't the most available characters in any guild.

For parties, it is kind of obvious that it is not too thrifty to have 4 party slots consumed on bard and dancer pairs, when the reduction can be coming from fire element armor.

[Nibbles]

I know, sad isn't it. It has a lot of potential just not a lot of "frequent" uses. Tell you this though, if someone could come up with really interesting effective way to use it during WoE I'd be interested in seeing that.

There was one vid from a Second Impact guy showing a bug that allows you to take a duet through a portal onto the other side using Longing for Freedom. This caused the AR effect to appear on the other side, over a CP. However, I'd say that'd be a bit risky to do continuously as it rides damned close to the portal-bugging side of things and I'm pretty sure that habitual use will get a person banned.

[kgirluvr]

so really AR is a good skill in theory , but no party will want to waste exp on 2 extra pepole? seroiusly does anyone know anyone who uses AR in thor on a regular basis?

also slow grace 10, does that affect party members in a non woe,pvp party?
and does it work really will on non boss monsters despite their high vit rating thanks.

[DanFan]

so really AR is a good skill in theory , but no party will want to waste exp on 2 extra pepole? seroiusly does anyone know anyone who uses AR in thor on a regular basis?

also slow grace 10, does that affect party members in a non woe,pvp party?
and does it work really will on non boss monsters despite their high vit rating thanks.

Slow Grace doesn't affect any party members in PvP and WoE, and it doesn't affect anyone during leveling. It only affects the enemy guilds in WoE and enemy players in PvP. No idea if it works 'too' well on monsters since normally you have better skills to do than slow grace them, but slow grace does work on non boss types.

As for ARing - for WoE, AR is good, although, you will be portal bugging it most of the time. For partying, I think most people do Mental Sensing rather than AR.

EDIT: Last I recall, Vit has nothing to do with reducing Slow Grace effect

[kgirluvr]

crap, i meant dazzler not slow grace. hehe

[Lucentos]

Slow Grace doesn't affect any party members in PvP and WoE, and it doesn't affect anyone during leveling. It only affects the enemy guilds in WoE and enemy players in PvP. No idea if it works 'too' well on monsters since normally you have better skills to do than slow grace them, but slow grace does work on non boss types.

As for ARing - for WoE, AR is good, although, you will be portal bugging it most of the time. For partying, I think most people do Mental Sensing rather than AR.

EDIT: Last I recall, Vit has nothing to do with reducing Slow Grace effect
What do you mean under portal bugging AR? Private message, please.

[DanFan]

What do you mean under portal bugging AR? Private message, please.

There was one vid from a Second Impact guy showing a bug that allows you to take a duet through a portal onto the other side using Longing for Freedom. This caused the AR effect to appear on the other side, over a CP.

Duet song -> Longing -> walk into portal = Duet song on otherside of the portal

[Lucentos]

Duet song -> Longing -> walk into portal = Duet song on otherside of the portal
Does it considered fair battle tactic? And does it breaking the balance much? And how much this is spreaded over IRO?

[Nibbles]

It would most likely be considered portal-bugging a skill, which is generally-speaking, illegal (particularly when you're talking about skills with requirements like duets'). You are basically using a couple bugs to cast a skill under conditions you would normally not be able to cast said skill. Namely, you have kept the duet active even though you have left the AoE of it while in Longing, and also you have cast the duet without having the dancer next to you on the other side of the portal (effectively). As such, it is unlikely that you'll see this being used often in WoE, as people do not wish to have 15 day bans slapped on them.

[Lucentos]

It would most likely be considered portal-bugging a skill, which is generally-speaking, illegal (particularly when you're talking about skills with requirements like duets'). You are basically using a couple bugs to cast a skill under conditions you would normally not be able to cast said skill. Namely, you have kept the duet active even though you have left the AoE of it while in Longing, and also you have cast the duet without having the dancer next to you on the other side of the portal (effectively). As such, it is unlikely that you'll see this being used often in WoE, as people do not wish to have 15 day bans slapped on them.
Theoretically this is true - practically maybe too. But there are more legal option - lingering Urgent Recall throught portal. And after its completed - it will bring both parts of the Ensemble in the precast Area. And ensemble skill will be working.

[Nibbles]

If you are referring to a Portal Recall, that is also illegal.

[Lucentos]

Any transferation of any skill throught portal (with exception of Devotion) considered illegal?

[Rastaban]

In theory, yes.
If I actually cared I'd have a lot of people banned for skill abuse.
That is, supposing the GMs don't flip-flop like they oh so often do.

[panda]

Battle Theme and Harmonic Lick still neglected?
I wish there would be some use out of them. :(

[DanFan]

I wanted to get Lullaby to try and make the CP team fall asleep for when I actually portal bug it into a precast. But then its abusing portal bug, plus some people likes to hit the CP team so its pointless. And I don't know the sleep chance of Lullaby. Probs really poo

[Dr. Azzy]

I think it was posted on the official forums that the GMs considered anything which you can portal bug with a single hotkey (frost/stun joke, magnum break, etc etc) as okay to do, while anything else as not okay.
Doing longing during an ensemble, and then walking through the portal, though... that's not even portalbugging... I dont see how this wouldn't be allowed.
-Az

[Nibbles]

Umm... because the effect of the skill shows up where it has no business being? You have left the area of effect of the duet while using Longing, by rights, this means the skill should end. However, instead you get it showing up on the other side of the portal. Thus, it's portal-bugging a skill. Maybe not the kind of portal-bugging where a guild leader summons up everyone with a Recall in the middle of a CP and pre-cast, but nevertheless, a portal-based bug.