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Title: The Performer Thread - Classic Edition
Post by: Reverie on October 14, 2010, 10:07:48 AM
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Old one here: http://forums.irowiki.org/showthread.php?t=465
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: amerlia on June 29, 2012, 11:10:36 AM
Welcome back to stings.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Prier on July 03, 2012, 05:35:13 PM
havent made a good ol' dancer in a while...what was the general stat layout for DS spamming thru dancer days? figured like

99 dex of course and
XX Int
XX Agi
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: amerlia on July 05, 2012, 01:23:43 AM
Agi? hybrid? pvm? if you want "cookie cutter" it's 99dex, 97vit, whatever in int -- for WoE.
 
Otherwise they're pvm (99 dex, int/agi) or hybrid (all mentioned + vit)
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Sora` on July 05, 2012, 05:27:26 AM
After being in stings for 1 night..... does no one know how to DS dance anymore?
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Witch on July 05, 2012, 06:14:14 AM
Quote from: Sora`;1260828
After being in stings for 1 night..... does no one know how to DS dance anymore?

Hopefully not. I really want to own some noobs before they buy the botted Marc Cards.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Prier on July 05, 2012, 09:57:16 AM
Quote from: Sora`;1260828
After being in stings for 1 night..... does no one know how to DS dance anymore?


with Rudra and all those rental items who needs DS dancing?
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Witch on July 05, 2012, 10:06:18 AM
Quote from: Prier;1260923
Quote from: Sora`;1260828
After being in stings for 1 night..... does no one know how to DS dance anymore?

with Rudra and all those rental items who needs DS dancing?

The dancers and bards who didn't go AGI.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Charm on July 05, 2012, 10:31:55 AM
It's been too long for me to remember. How did dancers do in PvP? Aside from the all vit tanking builds, what would be an offensive build? I would love to try one out. In my head, I'm seeing dazzle, slow grace, dagger switch to a whip, and spam sling arrow? So high Dex, mixed agi + vit?
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Blueness on July 05, 2012, 11:36:46 AM
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How did dancers do in PvP?

As far as I recall, they didn't :p

With a 99 DEX/AGI build you might be able to put some pain in with DS before getting stomped but at that point you'd basically be a gimped hunter with more sp! WoE however is a different story...
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: amerlia on July 05, 2012, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: Charm;1260942
It's been too long for me to remember. How did dancers do in PvP? Aside from the all vit tanking builds, what would be an offensive build? I would love to try one out. In my head, I'm seeing dazzle, slow grace, dagger switch to a whip, and spam sling arrow? So high Dex, mixed agi + vit?

Until arrow vulcan comes in, not much you can do to really kill like that. I mean you can DS dance/spam.. but that's about it. Sling arrow was always garbage, btw. And I guess you have the right idea for the stat build.. -shrug-
 
Quote from: Blueness;1260976
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How did dancers do in PvP?

As far as I recall, they didn't :p

Dancers are.. and will always be.. performers for that fact.. be support in PvP settings. Otherwise stated would be followed with a very slow /shy
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Witch on July 05, 2012, 11:41:02 AM
Quote from: Blueness;1260976
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How did dancers do in PvP?
As far as I recall, they didn't :p

That's not nice =P. I had fun making people run for their heal or pots when I DS danced in PvP. It's not really doable anymore with transcendents but it was still fun pre-trans. People died because they thought all dancers could do was use Dazzler. And then Arrow Vulcan came along.

Trololol using AV in WoE. ;D So much fun seeing people gawk and go dubehyouteeeff.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Blueness on July 05, 2012, 11:55:37 AM
Fine, correction: besides DS dancing which imo a hunter will do better you're not going to (easily) kick ass and chew bubblegum with an offensive build on a dancer in pvp, pick another class.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Prier on July 05, 2012, 11:56:26 AM
Quote from: Witch;1260928
Quote from: Prier;1260923
Quote from: Sora`;1260828
After being in stings for 1 night..... does no one know how to DS dance anymore?


with Rudra and all those rental items who needs DS dancing?


The dancers and bards who didn't go AGI.


Online sarcasm hard to pick up i know
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Witch on July 05, 2012, 11:58:12 AM
Quote from: Prier;1260984
Quote from: Witch;1260928
Quote from: Prier;1260923

with Rudra and all those rental items who needs DS dancing?

The dancers and bards who didn't go AGI.

Online sarcasm hard to pick up i know

That's a good excuse for picking yourself up after making a novice mistake about a class that can disable an entire screen of players. :popcorn:
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Charm on July 05, 2012, 11:58:25 AM
Same story for gypsies or does AV changes up the game a bit?
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Witch on July 05, 2012, 11:59:32 AM
Quote from: Charm;1260987
Same story for gypsies or does AV changes up the game a bit?

It changes the "game" but it's not a game changer. :lol:
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: amerlia on July 05, 2012, 12:00:16 PM
Barely. You'll only kill squishies.. sometimes. And people who are uber set up for you to kill. i.e. fiber lock, stone cursed, volcano, fire arrow, bg whip AV.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Witch on July 05, 2012, 12:01:14 PM
Quote from: amerlia;1260993
Barely. You'll only kill squishies.. sometimes. And people who are uber set up for you to kill. i.e. fiber lock, stone cursed, volcano, fire arrow, bg whip AV.

You completely neglected death card via Tarot and then using AV (or Sling Arrow).
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Blueness on July 05, 2012, 12:01:54 PM
AV is pretty good (in pvp) against soft targets, undergeared targets glass cannons but is rubbish against anything with good defense, HP, etc.



Quote from: Witch;1260996
You completely neglected death card via Tarot and then using AV (or Sling Arrow).


Yeah while you're waiting for that tarot card to proc you're going to get your ass kicked :D
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: amerlia on July 05, 2012, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: Witch;1260996
Quote from: amerlia;1260993
Barely. You'll only kill squishies.. sometimes. And people who are uber set up for you to kill. i.e. fiber lock, stone cursed, volcano, fire arrow, bg whip AV.

You completely neglected death card via Tarot and then using AV (or Sling Arrow).

I neglect it because a 1/14 chance plus a 60% success rate + a delay isn't something to go gaga over.. outside of strings, that is.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Blueness on July 05, 2012, 12:10:22 PM
Enough. Keep it on topic or get out.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: amerlia on July 05, 2012, 12:12:24 PM
Anyway. Outside of strings, tarot is all luck. The delay and the failure chance don't really "kill" but the things that can happen like breaking gear, could really help. But again, it's support-ish. Ish is for the chariot, tower, devil, and death.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Witch on July 05, 2012, 12:18:21 PM
Quote from: Blueness;1260997
AV is pretty good (in pvp) against soft targets, undergeared targets glass cannons but is rubbish against anything with good defense, HP, etc.



Quote from: Witch;1260996
You completely neglected death card via Tarot and then using AV (or Sling Arrow).


Yeah while you're waiting for that tarot card to proc you're going to get your ass kicked :D

That's only if you wait for your pantie-showing ass to be kicked. :rolleyes: The animation delay on AV would make you more of a sitting duck than Tarot.

Edit: You don't AV, stand there, and take it like a minstrel (read: man). You Tarot and gracefully walk away in the other direction. ;D

Quote from: amerlia;1261012
Anyway. Outside of strings, tarot is all luck. The delay and the failure chance don't really "kill" but the things that can happen like breaking gear, could really help. But again, it's support-ish. Ish is for the chariot, tower, devil, and death.

Yes, as I've already said, Tarot is a gamble. What kills the target  is the fact that unless the target is on the edge of their seat, the  death card is eventually going to proc and someone should expect to two shot them, eventually. :ssh:
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Sora` on July 06, 2012, 06:01:48 AM
Quote from: Prier;1260984
Quote from: Witch;1260928
Quote from: Prier;1260923

with Rudra and all those rental items who needs DS dancing?

The dancers and bards who didn't go AGI.

Online sarcasm hard to pick up i know

Except even if you were able to 1shot things with rental items (are you even able to 2shot?  I thought that took a specialized bow) you would still be standing still for a second after a DS because of how horrible your aspd is
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Prier on July 06, 2012, 10:17:25 AM
Quote from: Sora`;1261379
Quote from: Prier;1260984
Quote from: Witch;1260928


The dancers and bards who didn't go AGI.


Online sarcasm hard to pick up i know


Except even if you were able to 1shot things with rental items (are you even able to 2shot?  I thought that took a specialized bow) you would still be standing still for a second after a DS because of how horrible your aspd is


When Im in a tight space sure i can DS dance to make things faster but for the most part with how slow stings move you can stand max range and just spam click DS and they die before getting half way to you without dancing. I guess its just a matter of timing
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Sora` on July 06, 2012, 12:33:52 PM
Matter of preference than I guess.... I rather spend 1 second versus 3 to kill a sting
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: 48817 on July 07, 2012, 08:55:40 AM
Should a Bard even bother to get a decent Strings build or just focus with a levelling build? I forget how long the GM's said they were leaving trans out for.

Anyways, the build I was thinking of is something like:

94 VIT
80ish DEX
50ish INT

I don't know if I should get higher DEX from lowering VIT or perhaps even INT?
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Nickolas on July 08, 2012, 02:59:49 PM
Hello people

 Follow the Build skills of my dancer, I want to go Woe and also pvm with her, but but i don't know what skills put in.

http://irowiki.org/~himeyasha/skill4/dan.html?10FXJkefcKxb2bak

 Mental sensing will be useful for training? :confused:

Thank you
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Witch on July 08, 2012, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: Nickolas;1262340
Hello people

 Follow the Build skills of my dancer, I want to go Woe and also pvm with her, but but i don't know what skills put in.

http://irowiki.org/~himeyasha/skill4/dan.html?10FXJkefcKxb2bak (http://irowiki.org/%7Ehimeyasha/skill4/dan.html?10FXJkefcKxb2bak)

 Mental sensing will be useful for training? :confused:

Thank you

The GM's weren't very clear on if Classic would get dragon labs or bio labs soon so unless you can find a party to stick with until 99 or if you're the kind of person who gets into stationary parties a lot I wouldn't advise getting Mental Sensing.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Blueness on July 08, 2012, 11:28:50 PM
On the contrary, if you have skill points for it, by all means get Sensing, you never know when it might come in handy!
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: amerlia on July 08, 2012, 11:53:24 PM
Quote from: Blueness;1262550
On the contrary, if you have skill points for it, by all means get Sensing, you never know when it might come in handy!
For a dancer.. it is possible. Even if you are WoE/CP. You have enough for CP/MS5/DL10. But idk it's worth, because there isn't much idle standing parties with these "updates"/spawns.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: iCast on July 10, 2012, 11:30:25 PM
Quote from: Witch;1262348
Quote from: Nickolas;1262340
Hello people

 Follow the Build skills of my dancer, I want to go Woe and also pvm with her, but but i don't know what skills put in.

http://irowiki.org/~himeyasha/skill4/dan.html?10FXJkefcKxb2bak (http://irowiki.org/%7Ehimeyasha/skill4/dan.html?10FXJkefcKxb2bak)

 Mental sensing will be useful for training? :confused:

Thank you


The GM's weren't very clear on if Classic would get dragon labs or bio labs soon so unless you can find a party to stick with until 99 or if you're the kind of person who gets into stationary parties a lot I wouldn't advise getting Mental Sensing.


We should get turnings right away...
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Witch on July 11, 2012, 02:19:30 AM
Quote from: iCast;1263570
Quote from: Witch;1262348
Quote from: Nickolas;1262340
Hello people

 Follow the Build skills of my dancer, I want to go Woe and also pvm with her, but but i don't know what skills put in.

http://irowiki.org/~himeyasha/skill4/dan.html?10FXJkefcKxb2bak (http://irowiki.org/%7Ehimeyasha/skill4/dan.html?10FXJkefcKxb2bak)

 Mental sensing will be useful for training? :confused:

Thank you

The GM's weren't very clear on if Classic would get dragon labs or bio labs soon so unless you can find a party to stick with until 99 or if you're the kind of person who gets into stationary parties a lot I wouldn't advise getting Mental Sensing.

We should get turnings right away...

Unless you want to wait a month or so according to Heimi-san's posts, that's not "right away." Then again for a Dancer it's mostly always been a solo scene anyways.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Prodigy on July 15, 2012, 07:39:46 PM
Quote from: amerlia;1261012
But again, it's support-ish. Ish is for the chariot, tower, devil, and death.
High Priest is handy too. Pesky linked stalkers are pesky.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: amerlia on July 15, 2012, 08:54:20 PM
Quote from: Prodigy;1265452
Quote from: amerlia;1261012
But again, it's support-ish. Ish is for the chariot, tower, devil, and death.
High Priest is handy too. Pesky linked stalkers are pesky.

Stop card is fun too. But I was just talking about the damage dealing cards. Status is kinda sorta support? Because we can status, then.. AVlolzwhatno. lol.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: NOMBOT on July 17, 2012, 03:27:45 PM
Never made a dancer before and wondering if I should go vit or agi, strictly pvm, won't woe on it.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: amerlia on July 17, 2012, 04:44:02 PM
Agi and Int -- Int to DS spam life away. Vit if you want life-- We have shitty HP pools.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Blueness on July 18, 2012, 07:49:41 AM
I had a lot of fun with a DEX/AGI dancer back in the day but getting some INT might be more practical!
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Dio! on July 18, 2012, 12:31:56 PM
Few quick questions about a WoE build. Does one really need 99 dex if they are going to be a PvP build? Dex is for DSing, and DSing alone, right? If I were to, lets say, get 90 dex to leave more stats open would it really effect anything as long as I could still one shot Hillwinds (whenever they come out) and kill Stings in two double strafes? Then with vit, do you really need 97 vit to get to that sweet 100 status immunity, or can you just use a quad Fabre whip? I'm thinking you wont really need anything on but your trusty whip in WoE anyways, so why go 97. As for songs, Gypsy's Kiss, Slow Grace, and Classical Pluck are all one needs, right? If I did go 93 vit, 90 dex, what should I use my other stat points in, I'm thinking int, but that seems like it may be too high. Does agi effect how quickly you can get your Dazzlers off or is dex the main factor? Should I get 99 dex?

Damn, I can't wait to Dazzle some bitches.

http://irowiki.org/~himeyasha/skill4/dan.html?10cKJkrFcAGOababak (http://irowiki.org/~himeyasha/skill4/dan.html?10cKJkrFcAGOababak)
http://calcx.wushuang.ws/?carbFaYababbFbCajajkpaacpkaeaeaeaee5aaaaaaaaak9aauTaaeueWaafbaafhaafqaafqaaaaaaaekkkkbkkaaaaaaaOkaaaggaaaaHaaaa (http://calcx.wushuang.ws/?carbFaYababbFbCajajkpaacpkaeaeaeaee5aaaaaaaaak9aauTaaeueWaafbaafhaafqaafqaaaaaaaekkkkbkkaaaaaaaOkaaaggaaaaHaaaa)
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Blueness on July 18, 2012, 12:44:38 PM
You probably want a triple fabre unbreakable whip! I personally never wanted important stuff like 100 vit immunity to come from any gear.

AGI helps with dazzler and slow grace!
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Dio! on July 18, 2012, 01:18:23 PM
Quote from: Blueness;1266465
You probably want a triple fabre unbreakable whip! I personally never wanted important stuff like 100 vit immunity to come from any gear.

AGI helps with dazzler and slow grace!


That makes a lot of sense, I think I'll take your advice on this one.
http://calcx.wushuang.ws/?carbLaYabaEbJbCapajkpaacpkaLaLaLaNe8hcEaaaaaactaauTaamGeRcnfdaafobCfGaafHcvahhhaekkkkbkkaaaaaaaOkaaaggaaaaHaaaa (http://calcx.wushuang.ws/?carbLaYabaEbJbCapajkpaacpkaLaLaLaNe8hcEaaaaaactaauTaamGeRcnfdaafobCfGaafHcvahhhaekkkkbkkaaaaaaaOkaaaggaaaaHaaaa)

Think I'm gonna roll with this one!
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Sora` on July 18, 2012, 01:49:05 PM
Only time 100vit is needed for a dancer is if they are CP'ing.  Other than that, it doesn't matter if you stun, since the duration for 9x vit is fairly negligible.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Prodigy on July 18, 2012, 03:55:10 PM
Quote from: Blueness;1266465

AGI helps with dazzler and slow grace!
For AGI and Dazzler, doesn't that only apply if you have a ridiculously high cast delay reduction (Strings + BG armor set)? Without it, I'm pretty sure that the cast delay is still higher than the aspd delay.

Personally, I prefer INT. In scholarless times, you can never have too much sp regen. And GK too!
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Blueness on July 18, 2012, 06:41:56 PM
I have some friends going 99/99 AGI/VIT and say it helps with dazzler, I haven't personally experienced it myself.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: ayman on July 19, 2012, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: Blueness;1266643
I have some friends going 99/99 AGI/VIT and say it helps with dazzler, I haven't personally experienced it myself.


that build is so. awesome. I always play like that. cept this time I'm just going dex agi until trans comes in
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Gryvan on July 19, 2012, 07:15:32 PM
Quote from: Blueness;1266643
I have some friends going 99/99 AGI/VIT and say it helps with dazzler, I haven't personally experienced it myself.

getting leeched forever @_@

that or mental sensing parties :x
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Rumm on August 02, 2012, 05:56:34 PM
Is AR the one in the wiki that reduces all elements by 80% and status effects by 50%?  I have to wonder if thats true....it just seems soo strong
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Prodigy on August 02, 2012, 06:32:15 PM
That's how it worked preR. And yes, that stacks with Valk Shield and the like, granting you immunity to those elements.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Rumm on August 02, 2012, 08:49:32 PM
Wow.  Im kind of amazed that ive seen this skill in woe....maybe once.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Prodigy on August 02, 2012, 10:30:42 PM
It's not that perfect.
1) You have to be in the same party to get the effect.
2) It's not mobile*.
3) Ganb/ME puts holes in it.
4) Like other ensambles, it automatically cancels if either bard/dancer got hit by something big (I forgot, was it 50% of their max hp?).
5)I *think* it's been fixed, but it used to make it so that your resistances are set to 50%, which did things like nullifying unfrozen effect.

*That is, unless you bug it, and even then bugging it is unreliable.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: ayman on August 05, 2012, 10:46:59 AM
Gah, will we have stat resets? otherwise ill have to wait till trans to reset my Dancer because im sitting at 99dex, and 99 agi when im 99  i wanna be a dazzler at 99 vit 99 agi
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Blueness on August 05, 2012, 11:41:22 AM
The GM's haven't said anything (actually, they said if they DO, it'll be full stat resets and not the 20 point thing) so we'll have to wait and see what they do.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: ayman on August 05, 2012, 01:26:21 PM
otherwise I have my 3 fabres, just need a golem card and  lots of ropes :)
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: amerlia on August 05, 2012, 02:42:12 PM
If stat resets are put in, that'll be the stupiest change ever.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: ayman on August 05, 2012, 03:32:59 PM
no big deal if they aren't. ill wait for trans.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: biZzare on August 08, 2012, 02:37:27 PM
bard in progress:

http://calc.irowiki.org/?caqbLaYabaObzaIbCabaaaaaaaaaaaaaaae5aaaaaaaaacsaad5aaeueFaafbaafhaafwbMfwbMaaaaaekkkka

how is this build? mainly for WoE, but i put some agi for lvling...too much? hows the int? vit? i only have two nimble gloves at the moment
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: ayman on August 08, 2012, 05:53:04 PM
I prefer 99 vit 99 int for pure woe build but yours ok.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: amerlia on August 08, 2012, 06:38:53 PM
Quote from: ayman;1275381
I prefer 99 vit 99 int for pure woe build but yours ok.

Sounds like horrible strings. The formula for strings is int AND dex.
 
I say nix the agi and DS dance for your life. More points in int or dex could help you. Of if you really want, str to carry more pots. My suggestion would go into int.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: ayman on August 10, 2012, 12:55:17 AM
meh. good for aftercast delay
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: amerlia on August 10, 2012, 01:41:55 AM
What about what the main idea people use for strings is? Cast reduction?
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Sora` on August 10, 2012, 05:25:04 AM
99 int/vit is terrible for pre-trans

Even with "some" stat foods being in, and the ability to cook them yourselves, it is still impossible to achieve instant cast on a non-trans.  Any wizard is looking to be low 130s dex, and that is still considered a fairly decent cast time for woe standards nowadays.  You will be needing those extra boosts to reduce a cast time.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Prodigy on August 10, 2012, 10:02:25 AM
Int strings only mattered when 140+ dex became the standard. Anything less and you're gonna want dex strings in order to cast SG/ME when breaking a precast.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: ayman on August 11, 2012, 08:24:53 PM
isnt base dex + musical lessons + buff + foods + Concentrate  enough or im i thinking of clown builds
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Akintunde on August 24, 2012, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: ayman;1276646
isnt base dex + musical lessons + buff + foods + Concentrate  enough or im i thinking of clown builds


You're thinking of Clown, where 100 DEX would hardly take any stat points.  As far as pretrans goes, DEX on your Bard is pretty necessary, as a lot of Wizards will have in the 130 range and many Monks will hardly break 100/110, making the cast reduction of strings pretty awesome.  I'd still try to get a decent bit of INT, but I don't think aiming for 150 INT should be a goal at this stage in the game.

Stat points/gear is too gimped atm to rely on your own DEX for casting.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Ed. on September 10, 2012, 10:21:24 AM
Is stings map the best spot for a 99 dex dancer to 99?
The low spawn (according to classic database) of spring rabbits and dragontails make TI surface not look so good. Currently level 70, all rental gear on this account. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Formspring on September 10, 2012, 02:01:46 PM
iirc spring rabbits + dragon tails were better spawn wise than stings, gotta remember ti surface is also a smaller map = greater density
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: hyori on September 12, 2012, 05:24:03 AM
if you have 99 dex you can 2 shot stings and level faster there than at ti1. assuming you have 99 dex, you wont be able to flee ti.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Ed. on September 12, 2012, 05:52:30 AM
Yeah i was getting owned at TI with no agi
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Rumm on October 03, 2012, 01:13:30 PM
Does unchained s. transfer wpn/arrow status effects?
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: ayman on October 24, 2012, 09:57:56 PM
Any leveling places for lvl 79? I hate soloing, I want to be useful and do GK in a party!

I dont think US transfers status
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: Akintunde on October 26, 2012, 09:12:38 AM
Quote from: ayman;1302071
Any leveling places for lvl 79? I hate soloing, I want to be useful and do GK in a party!

I dont think US transfers status


Unfortunately there's pretty much no reason to party at this stage of the game, you're going to have to solo.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: ayman on October 26, 2012, 11:36:45 PM
when is the best time to party and wbere do I solo till then?
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: geckotis on October 29, 2012, 07:55:25 PM
Heim either needs to up the rates for VIP or give us Turn Ins.  Tired of doing stings like back in 2003.

I almost, and I say almost, and tempted to say I miss hill winds.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: ayman on October 30, 2012, 02:16:38 AM
agree. what bout quests? which ones are available on classic?
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: amerlia on November 08, 2012, 09:46:05 AM
Quote from: Rumm;1296021
Does unchained s. transfer wpn/arrow status effects?


No.

Quote from: geckotis;1303582
Heim either needs to up the rates for VIP or give us Turn Ins.  Tired of doing stings like back in 2003.

I almost, and I say almost, and tempted to say I miss hill winds.


This is Classic.. it's supposed to feel like 2003.. but with more HeimDollars. And there's VIP now, but turn-in's is a renewal thing-- keep that garbage suggestion out of here.

Quote from: ayman;1302592
when is the best time to party and wbere do I solo till then?


Stings. That's it. You don't get many choices.
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: vVv on November 28, 2012, 02:21:39 AM
I'm soloing at Dark Frames atm as an 89 bard. Are there any better places to go to?
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: ayman on November 30, 2012, 11:32:02 PM
stings! or party with someone
Title: Re: Build Help! Performer Edition
Post by: ayman on July 01, 2013, 07:00:07 PM
Let me kick this topic into a flying start, decided to come back to my Full WOE offensive gypsy. Currently has 99 agi 99 vit for max dazzler spam. I have some left over stats points and not sure where I can put them, either INT or DEX, I dont want to put it into str because theres gym passes.

Also what skills should I put into as I have some left over skills.

So far I have dazzler, dancing10, gypsy kiss10, Slow grace10, tarot card5, MC1   do I need any of the gypsy skills like hermoide wands? freedom? what should I skill for job 70?

Thanks in advance,
Title: Re: The Performer Thread - Classic Edition
Post by: Akintunde on July 02, 2013, 08:39:09 PM
INT for Gypsies Kiss, since you're dazzler.  Keep Slow Grace available and use it on any LKs in your stack.
Title: Re: The Performer Thread - Classic Edition
Post by: lesterblade on July 02, 2013, 10:00:53 PM
AGI-DEX build
==============
Recommended final stats for Bard & Dancer Ensemble Support:
(With Bard / Dancer Lv50 job additional stat point bonus.)
STR 1  +2
AGI 95 +7
VIT 1  +3
INT 25 +5
DEX 80 +18 (10 from Owl's Eye skill)
LUK 1  +4
With this build, we have a good flee, it's very helpful to dodge attack
from monsters while hunt or from other player while PVP or WoE. We also
had better attack speed, and it's extremely helpful while attacking with
bow.

VIT-DEX build
==============
Recommended final stats for Bard & Dancer Ensemble Support:
(With Bard / Dancer Lv50 job additional stat point bonus.)
STR 1  +2
AGI 9  +7
VIT 95 +3
INT 25 +5
DEX 80 +18 (10 from Owl's Eye skill)
LUK 1  +4
With this build we'll have a large amount of maximum HP and HP regeneration.
Our character will be strong as VIT Priest/Knight, very helpful at PVP or
WoE and this build solve ensemble cast handicap (if we're hitted by enemy and
our HP decreased 25% in one blow, our song will be cancelled). But it was very
difficult to solo hunt with this build (bad flee and slow attack speed).
Title: Re: The Performer Thread - Classic Edition
Post by: ayman on July 02, 2013, 11:30:49 PM
Quote from: Akintunde;1360542
INT for Gypsies Kiss, since you're dazzler.  Keep Slow Grace available and use it on any LKs in your stack.

That makes sense, since I need the extra INT to spam dazzler, only thing im worried about is that shouldnt I put it into Dex since it affects tarot cast time and also it affects ASPD reduction in slow grace?

Quote from: lesterblade;1360557
AGI-DEX build
==============
Recommended final stats for Bard & Dancer Ensemble Support:
(With Bard / Dancer Lv50 job additional stat point bonus.)
STR 1  +2
AGI 95 +7
VIT 1  +3
INT 25 +5
DEX 80 +18 (10 from Owl's Eye skill)
LUK 1  +4
With this build, we have a good flee, it's very helpful to dodge attack
from monsters while hunt or from other player while PVP or WoE. We also
had better attack speed, and it's extremely helpful while attacking with
bow.

VIT-DEX build
==============
Recommended final stats for Bard & Dancer Ensemble Support:
(With Bard / Dancer Lv50 job additional stat point bonus.)
STR 1  +2
AGI 9  +7
VIT 95 +3
INT 25 +5
DEX 80 +18 (10 from Owl's Eye skill)
LUK 1  +4
With this build we'll have a large amount of maximum HP and HP regeneration.
Our character will be strong as VIT Priest/Knight, very helpful at PVP or
WoE and this build solve ensemble cast handicap (if we're hitted by enemy and
our HP decreased 25% in one blow, our song will be cancelled). But it was very
difficult to solo hunt with this build (bad flee and slow attack speed).


First build is NOT WOE because flee gets gimped and halfed in WoE, no need for that Much dex + no vit = gg stunned , you wont be Aving at all, same as second build, lack of int and agi severely gimps slow grace and GK + no need for that extra dex


Any skill builds for a dazzler spammer ?
Title: Re: The Performer Thread - Classic Edition
Post by: Akintunde on July 03, 2013, 12:09:41 PM
DEX does cause the ASPD reduction for Slow Grace but I think it's like... 1% per 10 points.  Round out your DEX with IC + Gears for the nearest bonus, but the main point is to keep LK's in your stack (AGI reduces movement speed) and GKing so that they actually die to fist! :D
Title: Re: The Performer Thread - Classic Edition
Post by: Pink Supervisor on July 03, 2013, 03:17:08 PM
???
On Aegis, the movement speed reduce of Slow Grace is useless, since Speed Potions will set your movement speed to the maximum, despite the debuffs you have. The thought of using Slow Song to trap LKs in your stack is very amusing though. :>
Title: Re: The Performer Thread - Classic Edition
Post by: Akintunde on July 03, 2013, 06:34:42 PM
Quote from: Pink Supervisor;1360654
???
On Aegis, the movement speed reduce of Slow Grace is useless, since Speed Potions will set your movement speed to the maximum, despite the debuffs you have. The thought of using Slow Song to trap LKs in your stack is very amusing though. :>


The 1 second lag between using a Speed and it taking effect is all it takes.
Title: Re: The Performer Thread - Classic Edition
Post by: ayman on July 03, 2013, 09:25:09 PM
sorry I was not aware of speed pots. will they cancel with sg song? shall I get 90 vit and +7 food or max vit? how do I round off dex?
Title: Re: The Performer Thread - Classic Edition
Post by: Akintunde on July 05, 2013, 09:16:55 AM
No no, Speed Pots bypass Slow Grace.  Gypsy's Kiss is still recommended for at least one guild gypsy.

You need 100 VIT as a minimum typically (97 will probably suffice).  Considering Gypsy is a highly targetted class, I would be kind to your wallet and get 97~100 VIT naturally, 9x AGI, rest INT.  If your guild already has a GK Gypsy, then put points into DEX instead and use Slow Grace when people stack inside you.

IMO, though, GK > SG when it comes to a Dazzler gypsy.
Title: Re: The Performer Thread - Classic Edition
Post by: ayman on July 08, 2013, 09:40:31 PM
ahhh extra int is to link one self and gk and spam dazzler

bump found this in wiki, chose dex instead of int :)
 Pure WoE

 
Similar to the Full Support build, this build is about maximum  survivability and is also incapable of leveling itself. While the VIT (http://irowiki.org/classic/VIT) is the same, the build drops INT (http://irowiki.org/classic/INT) since it won't be using Gypsy's Kiss (http://irowiki.org/classic/Gypsy%27s_Kiss) much, and drops the STR (http://irowiki.org/classic/STR) due to the availability of Increase Weight Limit tickets in the Kafra Shop (http://irowiki.org/classic/Kafra_Shop). Instead this build favors high AGI (http://irowiki.org/classic/AGI) in order to reduce the ASPD (http://irowiki.org/classic/ASPD) delay of Dazzler (http://irowiki.org/classic/Dazzler) when in a strong Magic Strings (http://irowiki.org/classic/Magic_Strings), reduce movement speed more via Slow Grace (http://irowiki.org/classic/Slow_Grace), and potentially flee melee attackers. Leftover points go into DEX (http://irowiki.org/classic/DEX) in order to somewhat relieve the build's poor cast time
Title: Re: The Performer Thread - Classic Edition
Post by: lesterblade on March 16, 2014, 05:36:23 PM
There will be a Classic WoE soon on my server and I'm planning to use a Dancer. But I'm new on this class. Can you please teach me the proper stat build for a Performer type Dancer? There will be a Stat & Skill Reset event soon. So I will reset my stats & skills. And also, What are the Ensemble skills I should get aside from Classical Pluck (Loki's Veil) ?? Thanks for the reply :no1:

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Title: Re: The Performer Thread - Classic Edition
Post by: jxwilliam on July 31, 2014, 08:51:43 AM
So what is a good WoE Stat Build for a Minstrel without using foods?
Title: Re: The Performer Thread - Classic Edition
Post by: Rumm on August 03, 2014, 10:47:35 AM
Quote from: jxwilliam;1399611
So what is a good WoE Stat Build for a Minstrel without using foods?


99int, 98vit, rest agi
Title: Re: The Performer Thread - Classic Edition
Post by: not fat bard on August 31, 2016, 05:10:21 PM
Quote from: jxwilliam;1399611
So what is a good WoE Stat Build for a Minstrel without using foods?

99int, 98vit, rest agi

I like your style!