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Re: New Attack Speed Discussion
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2010, 03:19:30 AM »
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Now it's easier for the Swordsman Class, in general to reach 193 aspd(1HQ, 2HQ, SQ)....

Isn't easy to RG, now spear quicken don't seem the same of two-handed quicken. See these screenshots.

Base aspd:
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7831/screen117g.jpg
Base aspd + berserk:
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4909/screen118s.jpg
Base aspd + berserk potion + spear:
http://img404.imageshack.us/i/screen114.jpg/
Base aspd + berserk potion + spear + SQ:
http://img514.imageshack.us/i/screen115.jpg/
An observation, SQ lvl does not affect the aspd increase:
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/250/screen116f.jpg

Now with 150 agi+ berserk:
http://img441.imageshack.us/i/screen113.jpg/
150 agi + one handed spear + berserk + SQ:
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/7769/screen110n.jpg
150 agi + one handed + berserk + SQ + shield:
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1276/screen108.jpg
150 agi + two-handed spear + berserk + SQ:
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7668/screen109.jpg
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Re: New Attack Speed Discussion
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2010, 03:29:00 AM »
I see.. 180 is not bad and that is, of course, without outside buffs. Looks fair to me, I guess.
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Re: New Attack Speed Discussion
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2010, 03:32:08 AM »
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I see.. 180 is not bad and that is, of course, without outside buffs. Looks fair to me, I guess.

It's look trash to me. I think good 190+ aspd considering  the high amount of agi that is necessary.
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Re: New Attack Speed Discussion
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2010, 03:35:06 AM »
:D

If you plan on CTRL+Clicking, yeah, it is trash but for a skill spammer, it is quite decent. Besides, we are Defensive by nature, yes?

Besides my only aim for AGI is to be immune to some status effect plus an added resistance to Mount Strip. And don't forget, there's Impressive Rift and the likes to make our aspd shoot up.
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Re: New Attack Speed Discussion
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2010, 03:35:58 AM »
Finally RKs can stop complaining that RGs have more aspd than them.

But it does seem like RGs get the short end of the stick in aspd.
I mean like, 150 agi total PLUS SQ, and you can't even reach 185 aspd
compared to RK's 120 agi RK with 2hand sword with THQ = 188 aspd
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Re: New Attack Speed Discussion
« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2010, 03:39:49 AM »
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Finally RKs can stop complaining that RGs have more aspd than them.

Complaining without any reason, but, don't worth discuss it, it's  past.
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Re: New Attack Speed Discussion
« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2010, 03:42:12 AM »
True and that means, we take advantage of every skill we have. Maximize on getting an OHKO, at the very least... Exceed Break, Hesperus Lit, Banding, etc.
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Re: New Attack Speed Discussion
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2010, 03:50:45 AM »
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:D

If you plan on CTRL+Clicking, yeah, it is trash but for a skill spammer, it is quite decent. Besides, we are Defensive by nature, yes?

Besides my only aim for AGI is to be immune to some status effect plus an added resistance to Mount Strip. And don't forget, there's Impressive Rift and the likes to make our aspd shoot up.

In teory yes, in pratical more or less... IMO a RG ate least without  shield should get the same aspd of a RK using two-handed sword.
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Re: New Attack Speed Discussion
« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2010, 04:06:49 AM »
An RG without a shield feels like an RK without Runes, IMO. RKs needed the aspd since they deprive themselves of wearing shields. Thus maximizing on DPS to make up for the lack of defense, yes?
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Re: New Attack Speed Discussion
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2010, 04:10:44 AM »
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An RG without a shield feels like an RK without Runes, IMO. RKs needed the aspd since they deprive themselves of wearing shields. Thus maximizing on DPS to make up for the lack of defense, yes?

A Royal Guard should be able to trade your shield by a aspd comparable to RKs, but, they can't.
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Re: New Attack Speed Discussion
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2010, 04:16:09 AM »
@Filiolus
Can I ask you what's your aspd with 100-120 total agi, 1HSpear + Shield, Berserk Potion with SQ and without SQ?

I'd like to see how much aspd an RG with average agi would have (my future build) and would like to see whether SQ is worth it or not.
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Re: New Attack Speed Discussion
« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2010, 04:16:54 AM »
The old RK-aspd problem has been diverted to RGs, I guess....

I kind of understand when the RKs said that Runes are limiting. Whil e we get to have powerful skills that does not require any form of catalyst other than SP(excluding Piety and its 2 Holy Waters requirement). I guess that alone makes it fair. Besides we already have a skill that increases ATK by so much that giving us the same aspd as the RKs would make us more offensive, as said by the rest.

@Frost,
Isn't Banishing Point getting additional Damage from AGI?? Having that said, Banded RGs can still dish out some powerful BPs even though it's range is almost half of Spear Boomerang's. And another thing, maxing SQ still has its merit in OB damage, plus the added flee and crit.
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Re: New Attack Speed Discussion
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2010, 05:06:48 AM »
Arch Bishop is still -5 from shield
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with 81+19 agi, 41+10 dex, conc and thorny shield combo 175
no shield 178
barehanded 179

I logged in to a few more attack speed =p
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Re: New Attack Speed Discussion
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2010, 05:53:34 AM »
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Arch Bishop is still -5 from shield
level 101
with 81+19 agi, 41+10 dex, conc and thorny shield combo 175
no shield 178
barehanded 179
Nice :D I'm assuming that barehanded=mace aspd with the new formula? (maces used to be +1 but now I guess the bonus goes from +1->0 with high agi?)
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Re: New Attack Speed Discussion
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2010, 05:55:30 AM »
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:D

If you plan on CTRL+Clicking, yeah, it is trash but for a skill spammer, it is quite decent. Besides, we are Defensive by nature, yes?

Besides my only aim for AGI is to be immune to some status effect plus an added resistance to Mount Strip. And don't forget, there's Impressive Rift and the likes to make our aspd shoot up.

In teory yes, in pratical more or less... IMO a RG ate least without  shield should get the same aspd of a RK using two-handed sword.
I laughed really loud now. good,I liked your sarcasm.

But why a RG needs so much ASPD? THey are quite good as they are with balanced (or not) defensive and ofensive skills. Spear Quicken build were most used for those that wanted to up faster, don't waste sp pots, don't need support, etc.
RG have considerable amount of sp and quite good defenses.I'm not certain but SQ build in renewal would not be great thing.
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