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Offline Lnz.

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Re: The Critique Thread.
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2008, 11:01:33 AM »
I figured I'd give this a shot and let the public tear at my piece to help me improve it.  Large image, sorry!
 

 
Original character, and while I've used this program in the past, it's been years and was a much older version I was aquanted with. So I figured I'd get used to the controls again with a sketch of mine, however I want to do well.
 
And hair was never really my strong point. Ever. Even my colored pencil pictures have an effect similar to this image's.
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Re: The Critique Thread.
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2008, 07:10:31 PM »
Very interesting, Kris! You have a pretty good eye for anatomy profile anatomy. ;o

As for the critiques:
1. The neck seems rather awkward, like.. it's too towards the back or too long. I'm not sure if this is just the angle that the picture's taken at though.
2. The top of her head, hair, and down to the nape of her neck looks a bit off. I think it's just the lack of definition though -- it makes her skull look small compared to her face.

Putting those two together, I think I'm seeing too much space from the outter corner of her eye to the ear, making her face seem larger than the rest of her skull should define her as.

As for colouring hair, find your light source and pick put the darks and lights. Block in the darkest parts and the "inbetween"areas to the appropriate scale. And then pick out some of your individual strands and detail them in with quick strokes or erasures with one of those pen-erasers. For the area that the light hits, just add in some light strands to give it definition. That way you give the illusion of hair without doing every strand (which is impossible and generally makes it look more fake than real.)

You did a pretty good job on the face -- and I know you're an artist so all you really need to do is to determine your light source and figure out where to go from there. :D


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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2008, 08:38:59 AM »
Thanks Sharon, I'll remember that stuff next time I try a profile. :)

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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2008, 09:56:34 PM »
Quote from: Kris;128979

Doodle that consumed me during biology and a discussion about DNA replication, hooray primase etc.

I didn't really have a reference other than making my friend turn her head a bit for assistance on shading (which is still incorrect, help please). I probably won't complete this as I've kinda lost interest but I'd like some tips on shading. Also, as you can see, the hair is incomplete/nearly non-existant. Despite this, info on shading hair would be nice.

This was taken with a camera as my scanner loathes me so ignore the weird angle I suppose. Oh, and red-line this if you wish as it helps me to visually see the errors. Thanks. =)


woah holy! i think we used that lab book! and did that lab.
is it the blue one?

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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2008, 01:33:46 PM »
We skipped out on that lab due to time constraints. :<

My teacher complies our notes for us, she uses various resources to create our packages. Our textbook is Biology Seventh Edition by Campbell and Reece. It weighs 5000 pounds.

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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2008, 01:25:39 AM »
Lnz, try tracing some photos of porn or people near naked and anatomical books with muscles displayed, there's many suttleties to the human body you will pick up much faster by doing so. Nice step in the lighting, you keep coloring on the computer and you'll be a pro in no time.


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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2008, 10:40:32 AM »
Thanks for the tip, I'll have to give it a shot.  Not fond of the porn idea, but an anatomical book would help.

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« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2008, 09:30:16 AM »
well, if not porn, how about pictures / videos of gymnasts?  or bathing suit models?  you can still get around the whole porn idea with people a bit more clothed. :)

it's a good suggestion though on the books / studying other people.  you can even look at people in real life and keep in mind the many different body shapes for later

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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2008, 03:39:50 PM »
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well, if not porn, how about pictures / videos of gymnasts? or bathing suit models? you can still get around the whole porn idea with people a bit more clothed. :)

True but it helps to see the muscles that arn't so defined, gymnasts all have close to the same muscle tone, so you should keep varied as much as possible on your models.


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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2008, 09:15:59 AM »
ohh that's a very true point.  :O FUCK YEAH
TIME TO WRITE THIS SHIT DOWN

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« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2008, 12:34:27 PM »
Well, although this pic is over with, I want to know if anatomically-wise if it's a step in the right dirrection maybe? :x The hips on both aren't so... flat, or so I think.
 
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Just ignore the crappy scan quality.

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« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2008, 01:01:19 PM »
They both have really good legs.  The anatomy is really improving in your pictures too.  I can only say that your alchemist's breast size is really uneven (her left one should be a little larger since it's closer, but it's actually smaller in the picture).  Same with the alchie's feet (the closer one is a lot smaller).  The lines around them might be a little strong too.  Since they're smaller breasts in general, the indent/shadow around them shouldn't be lined so dark.  The chin of your alchemist needs to be a little stronger (think of how the skull looks), and your Lif's neck doesn't need the second line on the right since the picture is from a 3/4 angle.  
 
The picture's also tilted a bit so it's hard to see the perspective and I'm a little confused on the alchie's legs since it looks more like an undershot than over (bad scan?), but otherwise it looks okay.  The hips are fine, and everything looks okay on your alchie.  There are a few proportions off on the Lif, but considering she's not human, that's okay :D  They both also have different torso proportions (alchie short and lif long), but real people have those differences also.  I'm just not sure if you did it on purpose or not :3

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« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2008, 09:15:09 PM »
The proportions on the torsos was on purpose.  Alchemist was done as mine is in real life (I've a very short one).  Scan quality is absolutely horrendous.  I've always hated working with scanners.  I was also trying for a slight undershot...  Trying to practice with perspective and such, but too afraid to take it too far.  Looks like it didn't work out as planned...  I was proud of it? ^^;
 
I do appreciate the critique.  All those little things are gonna help in future illustrations even if they can't save the current one.  <3

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« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2008, 01:52:50 PM »
Yeah, the undershot looks correct, but since the Lif is from an above shot it just looks a little akward with them together XD;  It's still a really good improvement!  Just have to look at things 1 at a time so you don't miss things here and there before lining/coloring =D  I always see boo boo's in my works, but I'm too lazy to go back and fix @_@!  Next time is always the best time XD

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Re: The Critique Thread.
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2008, 08:29:13 AM »
Sucks this thing isn't used more by people. I personally love it since if I just posted in my own thread I'd only get "omg how cute!!111" bull shit over and over again, I'm sure.
 
Anyways, here's something I'm working on currently. Cape pisses me off to hell and back, suggestions? Also, since anatomy is an issue for me, how is it? And more details to be added later, but primary concern is central scene.
 

 
And since the biggest and first comment I ever got by any of my real life friends... No she's not giving the bastard a ... >:[ Anyways... Help? ._.; You guys have always been awsome.