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The Alchemist Thread - Renewal Edition
« on: January 28, 2012, 05:32:44 PM »
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How can I improve this char?

Class: Perma Champ
Goal: Farming Instance Orc Hero for Orc Sword
Funds: Just started
Gear: Total newbie with only eden gear
Stats: High agi, average str, vit, dex


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Re: Build Help! Alchemist/Biochemist/Genetic Post 14.1
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2012, 07:09:46 AM »
I wanna know what should my stats looks at 99 b4 going 3rd class. I have a high merchant already but dunno much about biochemist/genetics.

Class: High Merch
Goal: Be a good Genetic for PvM/WoE
Funds: ~100m
Gear: Still using the Eden Gear cause im still lvl 36
Stats: 30 STR 35 DEX 30 INT atm
« Last Edit: February 08, 2012, 07:10:20 AM by boltcrank »

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Re: Build Help! Alchemist/Biochemist/Genetic Post 14.1
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2012, 08:49:48 AM »
You want around 60 VIT, 70 DEX, 90+ INT rest in STR.
You will level up mobbing with cart revolution and using mammonite until you get cart cannon and cart boost lv 5 as a genetic.

Good luck.

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Re: Build Help! Alchemist/Biochemist/Genetic Post 14.1
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2012, 04:38:23 AM »
hmmm
is demonic fire and fire expansion damage better in scarab hole 2?

or CC with TNS Red still pawns the damage?

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Re: Build Help! Alchemist/Biochemist/Genetic Post 14.1
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2012, 08:43:01 AM »
If you have a good cast, CC shall be better (and cheaper).
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Re: Build Help! Alchemist/Biochemist/Genetic Post 14.1
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2012, 08:59:09 AM »
Cart Cannon is the better leveling skill imo.

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Re: Build Help! Alchemist/Biochemist/Genetic Post 14.1
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2012, 09:09:53 PM »
Quote from: Uyuni;1215094
If you have a good cast, CC shall be better (and cheaper).

thanks for that info. its cheaper the problem is the good cast i dont know about our server pRO but, I have Crown of Deceit (Isilla Card) , 2 nimble orleans glove , + orleans gown, dex is a total of 100 and its rather slow. haha

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Re: Build Help! Alchemist/Biochemist/Genetic Post 14.1
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2012, 01:36:36 AM »
hmm... post-14.1 vs pre-14.1. I think we have a problem here.

Based on the calc, with 120 INT and 110 DEX, cast time is cut down to a meager 19.91% and post-14.1, variable cast time for Cart Cannon 5 is 3000ms, bringing it down to 597ms. And under Suffragium, it will be 10.95%. And 10.95% of 3000ms is 328ms.

And that is only with Blessing. What more, if it were under Strings.....

Still think it's slow?
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Re: Build Help! Alchemist/Biochemist/Genetic Post 14.1
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2012, 04:00:17 AM »
Quote from: Trym;1215448
Quote from: Uyuni;1215094
If you have a good cast, CC shall be better (and cheaper).

thanks for that info. its cheaper the problem is the good cast i dont know about our server pRO but, I have Crown of Deceit (Isilla Card) , 2 nimble orleans glove , + orleans gown, dex is a total of 100 and its rather slow. haha

kathryne keyron instead of that useless isilla, about 30 more total dex, and 2 sprint rings instead of those nearly useless orleans, and I think you'll be quite happy with your cast time.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2012, 04:00:43 AM by Jayed »

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Re: Build Help! Alchemist/Biochemist/Genetic Post 14.1
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2012, 12:12:40 AM »
Quote from: Jayed;1215634
Quote from: Trym;1215448
Quote from: Uyuni;1215094
If you have a good cast, CC shall be better (and cheaper).

thanks for that info. its cheaper the problem is the good cast i dont know about our server pRO but, I have Crown of Deceit (Isilla Card) , 2 nimble orleans glove , + orleans gown, dex is a total of 100 and its rather slow. haha

kathryne keyron instead of that useless isilla, about 30 more total dex, and 2 sprint rings instead of those nearly useless orleans, and I think you'll be quite happy with your cast time.

thanks for the info ill hunt those :D, oh yeah i forgot sprint rings aint sloted right? i was planning to switch spring rings with expert rings with zerom card? will it work?
« Last Edit: February 17, 2012, 04:39:02 PM by Trym »

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Re: Build Help! Alchemist/Biochemist/Genetic Post 14.1
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2012, 01:32:48 AM »
How can I improve this char?

Class:   Genetic
Goal:   MVP/PvM
Funds:   More or less unlimited
Gear:   The basics as they were 6 years ago.
Stats:   Reset

Hello everyone. I'm back after a ~6 year break and would am looking for input from a Genetic familiar with MVP stats/builds/gear. My bio is ready to go Genetic but I'd like to have it planned out a bit before I start.

My main questions are:

Most posts seem to suggest that ~100 base int/vit is standard. If this is true, how much STR should I cap at and what DEX should I shoot for?

Can someone suggest basics for new gear? I can desocket many of my old 'basics' (immune, racials, elementals, mvp cards, etc) and put them in new gear or just go card hunting.

Thus far I've gathered that:

Head: Unsure. Both about base gear and the card that should be used.
Mid: ?
Lower: Pirate Dagger or ?
Body: Orleans or ?
Weapon: 3x Kingbird Twin Edge (red)
Shield: Valk Shield or ?
Robe: Shadow Garb or ?
Shoes: Unsure. Both about base gear and the card that should be used. (Currently have Superior's and Amon Ra carded shoes)
Accessories: Sprint Rings or ?

MVP Build

STR: ?
AGI: ?
VIT: ~100?
INT: ~100?
DEX: ?
LUK: ?

Finally, Dieter or Sera for MVP? I'm unsure about how Sera's painkiller works with MVPs so any input would be appreciated.

Thank you again for taking the time to read through and thank you in advance for any advice.

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Re: Build Help! Alchemist/Biochemist/Genetic Post 14.1
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2012, 05:03:58 AM »
Need Tips on Leveling  
Goal:    just survive longer, while leveling
Level: 130 , Genetic, Cart Cannon Build
Funds:    Just started, adequate
Gear:    +4 HF[1], +4 Dragon Manteau[1], Crown deceit[1], BSB,Shackles
        Orleans Gown, Sprint Ring
Stats:  110 int, 110 dex, 70ish dex, 50ish str , 15+k hp

Planning: I plan to lvl at abyss 3 but the problem is that i cant even
          survive that long, is it good that i have overupgraded orcish axe
          with either 4 hunterfly or 2 minorous and 2 earth petite cards OR ?????

Party: I got my wife Soul Linker Kaahi max
« Last Edit: February 19, 2012, 05:05:50 AM by Trym »

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Re: Build Help! Alchemist/Biochemist/Genetic Post 14.1
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2012, 12:59:14 PM »
Quote from: diethoney;1216570
How can I improve this char?

Class:   Genetic
Goal:   MVP/PvM
Funds:   More or less unlimited
Gear:   The basics as they were 6 years ago.
Stats:   Reset

Hello everyone. I'm back after a ~6 year break and would am looking for input from a Genetic familiar with MVP stats/builds/gear. My bio is ready to go Genetic but I'd like to have it planned out a bit before I start.

My main questions are:

Most posts seem to suggest that ~100 base int/vit is standard. If this is true, how much STR should I cap at and what DEX should I shoot for?

Can someone suggest basics for new gear? I can desocket many of my old 'basics' (immune, racials, elementals, mvp cards, etc) and put them in new gear or just go card hunting.

Thus far I've gathered that:

Head: Unsure. Both about base gear and the card that should be used.
Mid: ?
Lower: Pirate Dagger or ?
Body: Orleans or ?
Weapon: 3x Kingbird Twin Edge (red)
Shield: Valk Shield or ?
Robe: Shadow Garb or ?
Shoes: Unsure. Both about base gear and the card that should be used. (Currently have Superior's and Amon Ra carded shoes)
Accessories: Sprint Rings or ?

MVP Build

STR: ?
AGI: ?
VIT: ~100?
INT: ~100?
DEX: ?
LUK: ?

Finally, Dieter or Sera for MVP? I'm unsure about how Sera's painkiller works with MVPs so any input would be appreciated.

Thank you again for taking the time to read through and thank you in advance for any advice.


For a pure PvM, MvP build I would suggesst 100 str, int,vit, dex. (str for acid bomb damage). Maybe you can drop some vit to get some luk.
Dieter for Homunculus S (more defense, more attack).

Equips:
Head/Mid: Crown of Deceit / Lord of Helm (KK card for cast)
Lower: Pencil / Pirate Dagger
Armor: Bryn/Valk/Orleans
Mant: Backpack/Nydd mant
Shoes: Variants -Dunno if amon ra shoes are great- /BSB
Shield: Immune shield/ Valk shield
Weapon:  Red Naght Sword (I guess 3ak or 1ak, 2 archer skel is ok)
Weapon: Hurricane Fury [AK card]
Accessories: Meg/ Bris/ Sprint ring/ Glorious/ MoH /Shackles

Quote from: Trym;1217127
Need Tips on Leveling  
Goal:    just survive longer, while leveling
Level: 130 , Genetic, Cart Cannon Build
Funds:    Just started, adequate
Gear:    +4 HF[1], +4 Dragon Manteau[1], Crown deceit[1], BSB,Shackles
        Orleans Gown, Sprint Ring
Stats:  110 int, 110 dex, 70ish dex, 50ish str , 15+k hp

Planning: I plan to lvl at abyss 3 but the problem is that i cant even
          survive that long, is it good that i have overupgraded orcish axe
          with either 4 hunterfly or 2 minorous and 2 earth petite cards OR ?????

Party: I got my wife Soul Linker Kaahi max


With those equips you cannot survive that great in abyss lake (at least not at lv 3).
I would recommend to get a Red Naght Sword/ Carga mace and go to scarab hole lv 1 or 2.
Get a hunter fly weapon (a Red/blue naght sword) and switch to it when you need hp.
Get variants unless the BSB combo allows you to decrease 1 cart cannon to kill the mob.
Kaahi does not help much the genetics.
Use your homunculus to mob and take damage for you (even if is just some seconds).
Turn ins is the best way to level up, when Abyss lake and Scarab dungeons are with the normal spawns, the exp is not that great if you compare it with the turn ins exp.
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Re: Build Help! Alchemist/Biochemist/Genetic Post 14.1
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2012, 01:29:05 PM »
Not that I recom mend leveling in Abyss Lake but if you wear the golden dragon helm and silver helm at the same time (lol) as well as an immune dragon manteau and a (shield) of dragoon, dragons cannot really harm you haha.

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Re: Build Help! Alchemist/Biochemist/Genetic Post 14.1
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2012, 01:33:38 PM »
Quote from: Jayed;1217687
Not that I recom mend leveling in Abyss Lake but if you wear the golden dragon helm and silver helm at the same time (lol) as well as an immune dragon manteau and a (shield) of dragoon, dragons cannot really harm you haha.

Ah! Never thought that :lol:
Oh, in case you are in Abyss lake 3:
Fire armor: Orleans with pasana card.
Valk shield of dragoon.
Personally I like the glorious rings but sprint rings are sweet too.

Oh yeah: Bring cursed waters :)
« Last Edit: February 20, 2012, 01:42:05 PM by Uyuni »
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