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The Novice Thread - Renewal Edition
« on: January 28, 2012, 05:45:30 PM »
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How can I improve this char?

Class: Perma Champ
Goal: Farming Instance Orc Hero for Orc Sword
Funds: Just started
Gear: Total newbie with only eden gear
Stats: High agi, average str, vit, dex


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« Last Edit: January 18, 2013, 09:09:00 AM by Blueness »
Ranger Skill Details UPDATED ON: November 23, 2010, did not update Warg Strike, Bite or Sensitive Nose.

My first RO char from beta!
My first marriage!


Blitzstrike, the purple haired hunter:
iRO Ygg: 150/50 Need to me more usefull!

Pros of a Ranger, Pet and Traps ignore all reduction item effects.

Choden, chaser:
iRO Ygg: 117/33 Need more equips!

Pros of a Chaser, Deadly Infect works on MVP\'s.



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Re: Build Help! Novice/Super Novice/Extended Super Novice Post 14.1
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2012, 02:28:47 AM »
Hi, what do you think are the pros and cons of this build?

Class: Dagger type
Goal: Can MVP well, some PVP just for fun(not the competitive type)
Funds: Zeny is okay.
Gear:   Eden/Lighthalzen Novice Set/Angelic set/some VVS stilletos
Stats: High AGI, High STR, Above average DEX and VIT.
RESET is possible.

The skills I'm planning to get.
http://irowiki.org/~himeyasha/skill4/nox.html?10cAbx5dAhA5cA1fSJbGAJacA3dnabGA4baf

Stone curse will be my main disable if an enemy bugs me. I'm not getting Double Attack yet because I have a Chick hat(convince me to get it:)).
Did not get Agi and Bless because I'll be partying or leeching pretty much, priest slave is a possibility.I find it hard to decide what level of Hiding to get. Please help me?

I'm thinking of adding some INT(20ish) OR getting SP gears because I'll be spamming Mammonite. INT or SP gears?

What will be the best dagger to use?

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Re: Build Help! Novice/Super Novice/Extended Super Novice Post 14.1
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2012, 07:54:00 AM »
I'm confused but it looked like your points over spent I may be wrong, and if it's dagger build you don't need to waste skills on those magic skills beside bolts and firewall(and ruwach isn't needed if you have sight and vice versa). Why do you have Benedicta? It's close to useless on a sn. For daggers your stuck mostly to Eden as they'll be your best luck. The set bonuses for angel set are more gears toward magic in my opinion, so try to card them or the novice set.

Also, why spam mammonite? Bash doesn't cost zeny and does way more damage. Also, to add onto the magic thing, if your gonna have magic skill you need lots more than 20 int. Get all of hide I would say, never know how Lon you'll last otherwise. Does chick hat give double attack? Cause if not you really need to get it.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2012, 12:33:30 PM by Zimran »
Eh...

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Re: Build Help! Novice/Super Novice/Extended Super Novice Post 14.1
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2012, 04:53:42 AM »
Skill simulator turning up wrong?

Non-extended skills I'm getting:
10 Sword Mastery
10 Improve Dodge
10 Enlarge Weight Limit - more mastela when leeching
10 Cart - much much more mastela when leeching
10 Owl's Eye
1 Vulture's Eye - prereq
10 Improve Concentration
5 Provoke - prereq
10 Endure - for the MVPs I guess
5 Steal - prereq
1 Hiding - not sure what level I would get
1 Ruwach - got this instead of Sight because I'm getting warp
2 Teleport - prereq
4 Warp Portal - extra mobility
1 Pneuma
10 Stone Curse - disable
10 Mammonite - damaging skill

Can't get all these skills in 99job levels, so I'd be using SNe skill points on some.
Mammonite at level 10 does 600% damage while level 10 Bash does only 400% - it says in the skill simulator. I don't mind that 1,000 zeny, and I like the sound of coins. :lol:

Extended Skills:
10 Faith - hp
5 Stalk - to complement hide
1 Hilt Binding - prereq
10 Weaponry Research - for extra punch
1 Status Recovery - for some annoying statuses
1 Sense - knowing MVP's hp?

I've seen some melee builds and almost all of them get Increase Agi and Bless, Increase HP Recovery too.
Chick Hat allows you to use Double Attack level 2. Regardless of the weapon you're using, and uses your learned Double Attack level. If you have level 10, Chick Hat will cause Double Attack 50% of the time.

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Re: Build Help! Novice/Super Novice/Extended Super Novice Post 14.1
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2012, 01:29:03 PM »
Scratch sense cause I'm pretty sure it doesn't work on MVPs but I might be wrong, sorry the bash thing was my fault. You could get max hide and then stalk as an extended skill, probably amazing for leeching the liddle guy.
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Re: Build Help! Novice/Super Novice/Extended Super Novice Post 14.1
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2012, 09:17:14 AM »
Also Mammonite has a much shorter recast delay so for anyone whose ever tried both, you'd notice while casting x2 bash, you could at the same time cast 3-4 mammonite.

Stalk, iI's recommend lvl 1 because I've tested both many times, and the difference in speed is near un-noticable (almost like 40%-50% at the cost of 4 extra skill points)

The sense you can substitute with an observer, but I highly recommend you make your build stats and skills based for fighting normal monsters/leveling and not MVP as it ain't easy to live near them, let alone fight them. Even the push-over GTB has skills to 1 shot many 3rd class players with over x3 the SN's hp.

Hiding one is good enough if you just need to escape from a bad spot.

The endure and provoke you don't really need as you aren't supposed to be getting hit as much (being one of the class with the highest flee). You could consider provoke lvl 1 if you plan on going to woe to interrupt casting (like recall), but not really needed for leveling (you don't want to beef up the monster that's hitting you).

The Push cart maxed, you don't need as you could get Increase Agi already, (Increase Agi is a must if you go melee, it'll let you spam your mammonites; hit several times a sec, etc.)

If you plan on using healing items to keep your HP up, then do think about getting HP recovery maxed since it'll double the effects of the healing items, and also get a good amount of vit to help that out too.

I'll also recommend Frost Nova for the 2nd class skill. Several of us lvl 150/50 SN's get that because it's a life saver, also great for stopping monsters/players, short cast time, low SP cost.
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Re: Build Help! Novice/Super Novice/Extended Super Novice Post 14.1
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2012, 09:20:51 PM »
i love frost drive + mamo with hurycane fury:lol:(with spirit SL)
you can kill all job with no int/anti freeze card except job 3:rolleyes:

or if you love playstyle agi,you can build aspd type
with high agi,dex and str
use oveupgarde Orchics Axe (dont use shield!!) you can compund with 1Side winder card 3bad status card or 4 bad status card and you use chick hat (get lv 10 double attack)

in my server Enchant blade still can use buff to other player,so with blessing,increas agi,Improv concen,double attack,Improve dodge + buff Enchant blade from rk
its very fun to see,you can kill even they job 3 (with low level)
other class with physcal attack maybe miss on you if they dont have big dex /play crit type :lol:

i use metaler card,savage babe,magnolia and snake card with chick hat
its fun if i see low level job 3,struck with cruse,silence and stun
« Last Edit: March 31, 2012, 09:21:11 PM by Tabasco »

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Re: Build Help! Novice/Super Novice/Extended Super Novice Post 14.1
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2012, 06:49:46 PM »
Quote from: Tabasco;1233699
i love frost drive + mamo with hurycane fury:lol:(with spirit SL)
you can kill all job with no int/anti freeze card except job 3:rolleyes:

hurricane fury is a two-handed axe, i'm quite certain you cannot equip those, not even with soul link.

are you sure you're able to equip one? because that would be awesome.

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Re: Build Help! Novice/Super Novice/Extended Super Novice Post 14.1
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2012, 10:00:04 PM »
I was able to wear a slaughter w/ soul link. However, my atk spd dropped to 40+ :D

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Re: Build Help! Novice/Super Novice/Extended Super Novice Post 14.1
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2012, 03:56:37 AM »
Quote from: FrogFencing;1235631
Quote from: Tabasco;1233699
i love frost drive + mamo with hurycane fury:lol:(with spirit SL)
you can kill all job with no int/anti freeze card except job 3:rolleyes:

hurricane fury is a two-handed axe, i'm quite certain you cannot equip those, not even with soul link.

are you sure you're able to equip one? because that would be awesome.

yes im sure,because i play like that :D,Orchis Axe [4bad status car] + Enchant blade+Chick hat(with double attack lv 10) if i want play aspd style(facing with job 3/4),and if you have low level enemy(job 1-2) i play Frost+mamo,because low level char,often not immune on freeze

 here this the Screen shoot
i play at idRO


but aspd very2 drop :p lol,you will laugh at your char if you see aspd 28 animation,very very very slow:lol:

and yeah,in my server have a bug (i dont know on other server)
if you have 2weapon with 4bad status card,and you switch 2x(in the same map,if you dc/chance map,you must repeat the switch metode)

ex+7Orchis axe(familiar,metaler,magnolia,breezer) and +7Orchis axe(snake,savage babe,magnolia,marina)
you will gain 100% insert poison&bleeding effect to you enemy ,every time you hit the enemy (if they dont have enough status,for immune poison and bleeding)

sorry if my english bad :p
« Last Edit: April 06, 2012, 04:20:38 AM by Tabasco »

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Re: Build Help! Novice/Super Novice/Extended Super Novice Post 14.1
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2012, 06:19:19 PM »
just tested it on iro and you can actually equip the hurricane fury there too. quite cool. 20 something attackspeed is horrible though.

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Re: Build Help! Novice/Super Novice/Extended Super Novice Post 14.1
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2012, 01:10:04 AM »
a little help?

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Super Novice WOE/PVP build  
Class:    Extended Super Novice
Goal:    Emp break here and there, a little killing would be satisfactory
Funds:    Nil
Gear:    gears? what gears?
Stats:    
Str - 61
Agi - 100
Vit - 95
Int - 95
Dex - 89
the skills:
http://irowiki.org/~himeyasha/skill4/nox.html?10akax3rkanhFab4nGAfSHo1JacA6bGAabGA2e

the 2 over skills are intentional coz teleport does not work in the server.

Edit: are the stats and skills alright?
« Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 01:10:44 AM by cielzero »
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Re: Build Help! Novice/Super Novice/Extended Super Novice Post 14.1
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2012, 01:26:24 AM »
You're saying emperium purpose but why about half of skills are for PvM only. Seriously Masteries and weaponry research? improve dodge when woe you got almost 0 flee? You will kill a RG with mammonite? Don't ever think make SN to kill someone dude, they mainly just for slave/support or debuff. Quagmire still used to slow enemies
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Re: Build Help! Novice/Super Novice/Extended Super Novice Post 14.1
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2012, 05:57:17 AM »
Quote from: Veemon;1247399
You're saying emperium purpose but why about half of skills are for PvM only. Seriously Masteries and weaponry research? improve dodge when woe you got almost 0 flee? You will kill a RG with mammonite? Don't ever think make SN to kill someone dude, they mainly just for slave/support or debuff. Quagmire still used to slow enemies


I beg to differ. I can certainly see that you hardly know much about eSNs these days. Well, depends if you're on Valk or what.
However, to a certain degree, I do agree with you. As for the skills, yes, majority of the skills available - aside from cast skills, they suck for Melee builds.

HOWEVER!
To let you know, I main a Super Novice and I have in fact killed several people in PvP and WoE. Ofcourse, killing 1st and 2nd Classes is nothing of a big feat. Killing Trans is still somewhat decent. But I do not mean to limit to them. I have killed 3rd Classes. They may have not been 150, but nonetheless, I have killed them. RK, GX, Sorc and even Warlock. Mind you, one of the GX and the Warlock was a 150.

Having Frost Nova, is a life saver. Majority of the people, don't really wear Frozen armor in PvP at times, so this helps a lot.
Killing technique lies in high aspd and Mamonite. It's best to be quick and cast Frost Nova after each mamonite. With the help of a kvm mace, you also have a chance of stunning the opponent, again, giving you an advantage. However, this doesn't always work on everyone.


Now I must say, killing an RG is not quite possible. Mainly because of their reflect and huge SP pool. Also, just to note: I do not own any god equips, mvp cards or high tier cards(I mean cards 50m+, heck even 10m!). Yes, I'm a noob.

And Lemonade has given a good summary... near enough.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2012, 06:01:29 AM by Yaji-kun »

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Re: Build Help! Novice/Super Novice/Extended Super Novice Post 14.1
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2012, 09:14:56 PM »
This is my Pure Agi/Vit ExSN build. He is the Trapper/Breaker.The build has anything i have ( on my server ) and the equipment is my Limit ~_~
Stat 120 agi 120 vit 75 dex
Equipment :
Combat Knife or Assassin Dagger
+7 Feather Beret , Sigrun's Wing add Nightmare card
+7 Angelic Protection [1] add Evil Druid / Marc card
+7 Novice Shield [1] add Thara/ Horn card
+7 Novice Manteau [1] add Noxious/Raydric card
+7 Novice Shoes [1] add Matyr card
Golden Bell enchant 12 Flee 2~5 Agi
Clip [1] add Marine Sphere of Light of El Dicastes enchant 12 Flee 2~5 agi ( so hard )
Skill build : http://irowiki.org/~himeyasha/skill4/nox.html?10ak2k1rkdAhA4bcA1CFJb1GAcAaorA4deA4f
I think it isn't the best build when you just up only Agi/Vit, it will be hard to training level.
It you have a party , just spam Quagmire and Frozen trap to support they.Also you can become the Lurer ( if your party have 1 Bard+Dance cast Mr.Kim is Rich Man )
In the WoE, it is effect build when the emperium takes 1 damage with all attack ( on my server ), you can break it ( with use Mental Strength + Kaizel buff, you can become the hell breaker on 30s+ /heh ), and you can defend your castle with Sandman/Freezing Trap + Quagmire + Stone Curse to slow enemy break your emperium.Carry Traps and Potions ( 89% Weight ) in WoE /heh

And sr everybody for my bad English /heh
« Last Edit: September 29, 2012, 09:29:23 PM by rapa1993 »