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Offline Reverie

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The Crusader Thread - Classic Edition
« on: October 14, 2010, 10:42:35 AM »
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Old old here: http://forums.irowiki.org/showthread.php?t=78
« Last Edit: January 18, 2013, 11:02:21 AM by Blueness »


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Re: Build Help! Crusader Edition
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2012, 11:13:57 AM »
Havent played RO in about 5-6 years so my knowlwdge is rusty!
 
- Is it feasable to think that an agi based spear quicken sader would be a good emp breaker? (I can only assume before trans that an assassin, 2hq knight, and maybe blacksmith would be better)
 
- If going for spear build, is a peco necessary? (Is the 25% size reduction for medium very significant?)
 
- For future concerning paladin, does increasing battle chants' level determine preferentially which buffs it gives, or only the chance to receive a buff every 10 seconds?
 
- Can battle chant give multiple buffs at once, or is it only a chance to receice 1 every 10 seconds?
 
- In terms of leveling, what is a safe dex level to hit most monsters? (Would 50 total be safe, especially if primarily using bash?)
 
Thanks for any responses!

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Re: Build Help! Crusader Edition
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2012, 01:29:49 PM »
Quote from: pboy;1264168
Havent played RO in about 5-6 years so my knowlwdge is rusty!
 
- Is it feasable to think that an agi based spear quicken sader would be a good emp breaker? (I can only assume before trans that an assassin, 2hq knight, and maybe blacksmith would be better)
 
- If going for spear build, is a peco necessary? (Is the 25% size reduction for medium very significant?)
 
- For future concerning paladin, does increasing battle chants' level determine preferentially which buffs it gives, or only the chance to receive a buff every 10 seconds?
 
- Can battle chant give multiple buffs at once, or is it only a chance to receice 1 every 10 seconds?
 
- In terms of leveling, what is a safe dex level to hit most monsters? (Would 50 total be safe, especially if primarily using bash?)
 
Thanks for any responses!


-Crusaders are mediocre emp breakers. There are better classes that will beat crusaders on the emp.

-Spear crusaders always get pecopecos.

-Leveling battle chant increases the possibility of getting a random positive or negative status effect, not which one a player prefers. There is no way the game can tell which buff a player wants.

-Battle chant effects stack.

-50 dex is fine for a spear crusader. You could probably even lower it a little bit if you wanted to because your leveling options are limited and no one wants to party with a spear crusader.

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Re: Build Help! Crusader Edition
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2012, 01:38:54 PM »
I think i've been a GC sader all my....sader life in RO so how does a agi/vit saders level to 99 or str/agi? @_@

*been extremely curious about this for a while*

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Re: Build Help! Crusader Edition
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2012, 01:41:44 PM »
Quote from: cows go quack;1264226

-Leveling battle chant increases the possibility of getting a random positive or negative status effect, not which one a player prefers. There is no way the game can tell which buff a player wants.
 
-Battle chant effects stack.
 
-50 dex is fine for a spear crusader. You could probably even lower it a little bit if you wanted to because your leveling options are limited and no one wants to party with a spear crusader.

- I mean, does a certain level of battle chant change the ratio or probability of which buffs it randomly gives? (Like for example, a higher level Battle Chant would result in +20 stats more often than removal of negative buffs, or a seemingly more desired effect more often...or does the AI consider them all at a fixed level regardless of level)
 
- Not necessarily do Battle Chants effect stack, but can a player recieve 2 or more buffs at once, or are they always only delivered one at a time?
 
- I see...i guess a wise thing would be start with as low dex as necessary then only raise when/if needed, and if not needed in its place add more agi / vit / str / int
 
Responses appriciated

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Re: Build Help! Crusader Edition
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2012, 02:06:50 PM »
Quote from: Gryvan;1264236
I think i've been a GC sader all my....sader life in RO so how does a agi/vit saders level to 99 or str/agi? @_@

*been extremely curious about this for a while*

-Sacrifice crusaders level with a party.

-Grand Cross crusaders level with a priest.

-Spear crusaders level by themselves.

Quote from: pboy;1264238

- I mean, does a certain level of battle chant change the ratio or probability of which buffs it randomly gives? (Like for example, a higher level Battle Chant would result in +20 stats more often than removal of negative buffs, or a seemingly more desired effect more often...or does the AI consider them all at a fixed level regardless of level)
 
- Not necessarily do Battle Chants effect stack, but can a player recieve 2 or more buffs at once, or are they always only delivered one at a time?
 
- I see...i guess a wise thing would be start with as low dex as necessary then only raise when/if needed, and if not needed in its place add more agi / vit / str / int
 
Responses appriciated

-Leveling Battle Chant increases the chance of getting a status effect or not. The chances of getting each buff is the same regardless of the skill level.

-Battle Chant grants only one buff every 10 seconds.

-Spear crusaders do not get int.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2012, 02:27:58 PM by cows go quack »

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Re: Build Help! Crusader Edition
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2012, 03:08:53 PM »
Quote from: cows go quack;1264250

-Leveling Battle Chant increases the chance of getting a status effect or not. The chances of getting each buff is the same regardless of the skill level.
 
-Battle Chant grants only one buff every 10 seconds.
 
-Spear crusaders do not get int.

Thanks!

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Re: Build Help! Crusader Edition
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2012, 06:11:41 PM »
Quote from: cows go quack;1264250
Quote from: Gryvan;1264236
I think i've been a GC sader all my....sader life in RO so how does a agi/vit saders level to 99 or str/agi? @_@

*been extremely curious about this for a while*


-Sacrifice crusaders level with a party.

-Grand Cross crusaders level with a priest.

-Spear crusaders level by themselves.


-Pure shield crusaders cry.

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Re: Build Help! Crusader Edition
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2012, 01:01:32 AM »
Quote from: cows go quack;1264250
-Sacrifice crusaders level with a party.

-Grand Cross crusaders level with a priest.
GC saders can either be GC/Heal or GC/Sac (9x int, vit:dex ratio will vary based on main purpose). No reason to be GC or Sac.

I also tried an experimental GC/Resistant Souls (ends up with Heal 5), but that was when Biolabs was already in the game. Can't cast it on myself, but I let my party laugh at SinX/LKs wandering around.
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Re: Build Help! Crusader Edition
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2012, 03:49:41 PM »
I don't like GC/Sac because you don't fully utilize the skills of a Sacrifice crusader and you miss out on 2k heals and using your large sp pool. Grand Cross and Heal go hand in hand.

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Re: Build Help! Crusader Edition
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2012, 03:49:53 PM »
I was thinking about making a Crusader with Sacrifice
a pure Sacrificer (Dex/Vit only) would be rather boring, and whilst GC/Sac sounds interesting, I guess that's more something for a Paladin
So I was thinking about a Shield Sader with added Sacrifice, something along the lines of this: http://irowiki.org/~himeyasha/skill4/cru.html?10JkfNcIrGuF6L
for stats I am a bit undecided, the three main contenders are:

1)
Str 87+13
Agi 33+2
Vit 73+7
Int 24+6
Dex 57+3
getting a bit of Agi for faster Smiting

2)
Str 95+15
Agi 9+2
Vit 73+7
Int 24+6
Dex 57+3
no Agi, but 120 Str with Blessing

3)
Str 87+13
Agi 9+2
Vit 93+7
Int 10+6
Dex 47+3
Sacrificing a bit of everything for Status Immunity

The Sader shall be able to mob for parties, maybe tank some MVPs one day, Sacrifice a bit in WoE and still be able to solo from time to time

would this work out?
or should I rather make a GC Sader (and if GC, Heal or Sac?)
« Last Edit: July 22, 2012, 03:51:07 PM by Lichtbringer »

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Re: Build Help! Crusader Edition
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2012, 11:29:27 AM »
Build 1 fits the best, drop the int to 1 for more dex though. Sacrifice needs a fast cast to be useful, and you are boosting your hit and min damage.

You really would not see a visible benefit to your SP or regen with 30 int.

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Re: Build Help! Crusader Edition
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2012, 09:22:47 PM »
For a blast from the past here's my don't really know what I'm doing but I'll make a GC/Sac Sader build that was my main character in WoE for at least a year! (mid 2005 to whenever in 2006 AB/icepick/OI was introduced/improved combined with the sac through portal nerf, made it a less fun class to play)

Knowing what I know now (and having gym passes) I'd of killed the STR and gotten more dex, and maybe a little less INT. I leveled more by mobbing GD than I did actually GCing things. Probabably a bad build now but posting it for fun.

And my quick leveling pure GC/Heal sader build. She was fun to level and I'll probably reproduce it for the next crusader I make.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2012, 09:24:52 PM by Blueness »
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Re: Build Help! Crusader Edition
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2012, 10:19:52 PM »
id rage without 50+ dex for sac. If you are always under a strings it doesn't matter much though.

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Re: Build Help! Crusader Edition
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2012, 12:44:48 AM »
I did a GC/Sac sader back in the old Loki days. Works pretty good, but you really can't 'tank' much damage since most of the vit you'd need to live is going into your int or dex. It also means you're priest reliant if you're wanting to do Chiv/Niff since you don't have heal.

It's an awesome build though. Loved it for a while!