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Frost

01-11-2010 09:42 PM

Re: Renewal information (read before asking questions)

That was fixed a while ago. Clogon did some tests and posted in the Renewal Discussion Thread.

Clogon

01-11-2010 10:39 PM

Re: Renewal information (read before asking questions)

I did not test +% Range attack though. Only %atk and anti-Boss and anti-non-boss bonus. I'll test it once I get my computer to work.

Atum	01-11-2010 11:27 PM

Re: Renewal information (read before asking questions)

Updated atk formula, aspd section, matk-weapons section, armor section and small other details and added spoiler tags so its easier to get to the part you are interested in.

Sorry for the late update.

chap	01-11-2010 11:39 PM

Re: Renewal information (read before asking questions)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atum (Post 644242)

added spoiler tags

this is the best update in this topic so far :D

anw, thanks for the update. Even nowadays, when I'm more familiarized with Renewal mechanics, I still use this topic informations ^^

Atum	01-12-2010 12:00 AM

Re: Renewal information (read before asking questions)

I need info about racial/shieldcard reductions, somebody (sorry cant remember right now) said the new shield cards work like pre-renewal racial cards?
Can somebody test this?

Nretep

01-12-2010 02:31 AM

Re: Renewal information (read before asking questions)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atum (Post 644261)

(sorry cant remember right now)

thanks, someone

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atum (Post 644261)

I need info about racial/shieldcard reductions, somebody (sorry cant remember right now) said the new shield cards work like pre-renewal racial cards?
Can somebody test this?

http://forums.irowiki.org/showpost.p...postcount=1215

Atum	01-12-2010 03:01 AM

Re: Renewal information (read before asking questions)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nretep (Post 644367)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atum (Post 644261)

(sorry cant remember right now)

thanks, someone

Sorry, it was 7 in the morning when i actualized the topic and i didnt sleep that night :D

Thanks for the link.

Clogon

01-12-2010 03:24 AM

Re: Renewal information (read before asking questions)

More detailed testing:
http://forums.irowiki.org/showthread...737#post635737

remrem

01-15-2010 11:55 PM

Re: Renewal information (read before asking questions)

Quote:

Icepick Damage
FinalDamage(Icepick) = [① + ② ± ③ + MasteryATK + (TargetEquipDEF/2)] * (600 / EquipDEF+600) - StatusDef
* (Icepick no longer bypasses defense, but gains 1 atk per def. This atk does not stack with skill modifiers)

this info in the renewal information should be updated, i've been doled by this.

Akin	01-25-2010 12:18 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atum (Post 392377)

Over Refine Bonus

OverrefineBonus = EquipUpgradeValue(Ex:+1) +[EquipUpgradeValue + WeaponLv] * OverRefineValue

Sorry, but could you either explain this formula or rewrite it? The way I read it makes me think this:

OverRefineBonus = UpgradeAmount + (UpgradeAmount + WeaponLvl) * OverRefineValue

Where Upgrade amount is the + value on the item (ex. +7), and WeaponLvl is the weapon's level (ex. 1-4). But I do not see where OverRefineValue is defined. Is it the amount over the safe upgrade level (say, a +7 on a level 3 weapon is +2 over)? Or is it the attack added per upgrade (ex. 7 damage per upgrade on a level 4 weapon)? Or something else?

Either way, it seems like you could get some very nice bonus numbers from highly upgraded level 4 weapons.

Lumi	01-27-2010 04:45 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atum (Post 392377)

Weapon Attack

Base Weapon Attack

BaseWeaponATK = [WeaponATK * ((STR + 200)/200) + upgradeATK + OverrefineBonus] * SizeMod + EquipATK&cATK

For Ranged weapons its supposed to be Dex instead of Str right?

Nretep

01-27-2010 06:10 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

read the topic

Laplace

01-27-2010 06:28 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Wow nice punishment for using two-handed swords, or swords in general on a Rune Knight.

Atum	01-27-2010 11:17 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumi (Post 658772)

For Ranged weapons its supposed to be Dex instead of Str right?

I added "* For bow/instrument/whip/gun weapons swap str and dex"-notes everywhere where it matters. :)

@Akin :
EquipUpgradeValue is the upgrade level of the weapon, +7 weapon would mean EquipUpgradeValue is "7"

OverRefineValue is the overupgrade level of the weawpon, a +7 level 3 weapon for example is 2 times overupgraded because the safe-level for level 3 weapons is +5, which means OverRefineValue would be "2" in this case.

I added these notes to the first post to make it more clear.

Akin	01-27-2010 02:48 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atum (Post 658964)

@Akin :
EquipUpgradeValue is the upgrade level of the weapon, +7 weapon would mean EquipUpgradeValue is "7"

OverRefineValue is the overupgrade level of the weawpon, a +7 level 3 weapon for example is 2 times overupgraded because the safe-level for level 3 weapons is +5, which means OverRefineValue would be "2" in this case.

I added these notes to the first post to make it more clear.

Thanks! that would mean that a +9 level 4 weapon would give a bonus of:

9 + ( 9 + 4 ) * 5 = 74?

That's a pretty nice bonus in addition to the 63 attack you get from the upgrades (74+63=137 ATK). It's even sexier that this is added into skill damage calculations before the skill modifier unlike mastery bonuses ><.

Sousuke_Sagara

01-29-2010 01:15 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Would be nice to also add the actual descriptions for some of the New Stats (Burning, Freezing, Cold Mode, Deep Sleep) for further reference.

Barigas

01-29-2010 01:23 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Need to be added Mind Breaker increases only equip matak and reduces whole mdef of the target.

Nretep

01-29-2010 01:49 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barigas (Post 660981)

Need to be added Mind Breaker increases only equip matak and reduces whole mdef of the target.

I tested this one. on the unicorn (holy, high mdef)

Bolt: ~65 --> ~75
PW: ~2500 --> ~3500

dunno, but if the statdef is reduced by MBreaker, the (relative) difference from Bolt should be higher than with PW

Barigas

01-30-2010 06:40 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Yes... And also you can see that damage increases not linearly if you use 1~5 levels of MB. Difference of 1~2 is lower than 4~5levels. Which probably prooves your suggestion=) Because for example (1/550-1/600)<(1/100-1/150)

Nretep

01-30-2010 08:16 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

I meant
"maybe it only reduces hard MDef" ...

Taiyodori

01-30-2010 02:13 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Quote:

OverrefineBonus = EquipUpgradeValue(Ex:+1) +[EquipUpgradeValue + WeaponLv] * OverRefineValue

*EquipUpgradeValue is the upgrade level of the weapon, +7 weapon would mean EquipUpgradeValue is "7"
*OverRefineValue is the overupgrade level of the weawpon, a +7 level 3 weapon for example is 2 times overupgraded because the safe-level for level 3 weapons is +5, which means OverRefineValue would be "2" in this case.

So, even if there is no overrefine, you still get a + EquipUpgradeValue ATK?
For a +6 lvl 1 Weapon this would mean additional +6 atk, although the weapon isn't even overrefined.
Was this intended in your formular?

Clogon

02-03-2010 09:54 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Atum your OverRefine bonus formula works for lvl 1-3 weapons but lvl 4 weapons get 1-14 bonus damage instead of 1-11:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clogon (Post 563438)

Here is tests for Over Upgrading Variance.
Tests were with 0 STR + Ice pick on left hand on Poring (+1 damage and bypass Def) with Maximize Power on.

Code:

Dagger

+8 lvl1

50+17

133-134



+7 lvl 2

50+50

158-161



+6 lvl3

50+64

179+185



+5 lvl4

50+70

191-201





Sword

lvl1

50+53

+7                 +8                +9

170        172 173-175 2        174 175-180 5



lvl2

50+100

+6                +7                +8

229        232 233-237 4        235 236-245 9



lvl3

50+140

+5                +6                +7

287        292 293-300 7        297 298-313 15



lvl4

50+200

+4                +5                +6                +7

369        376 377-390 13        383 384-411 27        390 391-432 41



50+85

+4                +5                +6                +7

231        238 239-252 13        245 246-273 27        252 253-293 40

Don't know if it is 40 or 41 for the first lvl 4 weapon test. I could easily have misread it as I tried getting 432 again for a while but couldn't while 431 was seen at least 20x.

I can reproduce this test if you have a GX to poison me!

@Taiyodori:
This is no place for questions... But yes EquipUpgradeValue mean just the refine values. But lvl 1 weapons get 2 damage for every +1 not just 1.

Taiyodori

02-04-2010 02:52 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

I know that lvl 1 weapons get 2 dmg/upgrade, but my question was just refered to the overrefinebonus:

OverrefineBonus = EquipUpgradeValue(Ex:+1) +[EquipUpgradeValue + WeaponLv] * OverRefineValue

+6 lvl 1 weapon:
OverrefineBonus = 6 + [bla]*0 = 6, though it's not even overrefined.

I also can't imagine the overrefinebonus that high. If you think of a +20 lvl 1 weapon you'd get this:

20 + [20 + 1] * 13 = 293 atk overrefine bonus, which would be a lot!

For a +20'd lvl 4 weapon this would be +404 atk.
Compared to that it seems pointless to use a 2handed weapon, which won't get this bonus. (At least this is, what Atum said in the first post)

And I thought this should be the right place for a question which is just refered to the formulars of the first post. D:

Edit:
This part of the damage formular should be changed:

Quote:

BaseWeaponATK = [WeaponATK * ((STR + 200)/200) + upgradeATK + OverrefineBonus] * SizeMod + EquipATK&cATK

into:

Quote:

BaseWeaponATK = [WeaponATK + (WeaponATK * ((STR + 200)/200) - WeaponATK) * Element(Ghost only) + upgradeATK + OverrefineBonus] * SizeMod + EquipATK&cATK

Regarding to Clogons post in the GX Discussion Topic

pat098

02-07-2010 11:31 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

can someone please update the list of defense value of items
=D
im preparing for renewal
lol

Sousuke_Sagara

02-07-2010 12:07 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Quote:

Originally Posted by pat098 (Post 668953)

can someone please update the list of defense value of items
=D
im preparing for renewal
lol

Try reading the first page on the "Defense & damage reduction" section?

pat098

02-08-2010 04:44 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sousuke_Sagara (Post 668974)

Quote:

Originally Posted by pat098 (Post 668953)

can someone please update the list of defense value of items
=D
im preparing for renewal
lol

Try reading the first page on the "Defense & damage reduction" section?

already read that
im looking for other equips?:p

lordgeorge

02-08-2010 08:02 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Quote:

Originally Posted by pat098 (Post 669643)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sousuke_Sagara (Post 668974)

Quote:

Originally Posted by pat098 (Post 668953)

can someone please update the list of defense value of items
=D
im preparing for renewal
lol

Try reading the first page on the "Defense & damage reduction" section?

already read that
im looking for other equips?:p

just search here and use a translator if you want http://ragnagate.milestory.com/dict/...=list&id=shoes

Clogon

02-11-2010 09:51 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

I just tested the Def Formula again. And the reduction value is 580.

my attacker has 150.27 s.atk and his Bash lvl 10 did 726 damage on me with 114 s.def and 250 e.def.

150.27*8*580/830-114=726.06

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Atum	02-12-2010 09:47 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Updated def formula. Thanks.

Added RagStateRE calc link and short manual.

th3martian

02-13-2010 02:52 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atum (Post 674201)

Updated def formula. Thanks.

Added RagStateRE calc link and short manual.

I tried to access the website but i cant find the download link. Do I need to register first?

pat098

02-13-2010 06:08 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

any information on how much defense do upgrade equips(upgraded muffler, upgraded shoes, etc...) give on renewal?

got4close

02-13-2010 08:52 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Now, +1 refine = +1 def.

pat098

02-13-2010 12:14 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Quote:

Originally Posted by got4close (Post 675000)

Now, +1 refine = +1 def.

i mean the upgraded equips, the golden ones...i don't know if it's available in your server..in pRO it's like the normal equips(muffler,shoes,boots) with added def and gives +3%hp
it's being sold in the hypermart:)

StarShadow

02-13-2010 12:26 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Quote:

Originally Posted by pat098 (Post 675105)

Quote:

Originally Posted by got4close (Post 675000)

Now, +1 refine = +1 def.

AFAIK these equips gain 5 more def than the usual ones.

Ex: Formal Suit => 40 DEF "GoldenFormal Suit" => 45 DEF :)

And

I think the MATK part needs to be updated.
I asked about MATK for the correctness of the two versions (here and the WL compilation one).
Gio answered with evidence. Please check here:
http://forums.irowiki.org/showthread...ATK#post648622

D.

Clogon

02-14-2010 04:00 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clogon (Post 589016)

New Chat log options:

1)Friends log on/off + censor
2)Public
3)Whispers
4)Party
5)Guild
6)Item gain/lost
7)Equipment un/equiped
8)Buff's
9)Party item gain/lost
10)Party buffs
11)Skill failure
12)Party configuation
13)Broken equipment
14)WoE information
15)self skill/damage data
16)party skill/damage data
17)self exp data
18)party exp data
1918)Quest information (Don't know what it shows)
20)Battlefield information (Don't know what it shows, kvm maybe?)

Self skill/damage data:
displays damage you received/dealt.
Skills used by and against you.

party skill/damage data:
displays damage party member received/dealt.
Skills used by party member.

Bugs:
1) If there is a 1on1 chat window and you are chatting on it, you can't turn off Battle mode without closing it.
2) If some one has a char that is if your party, you will see their skill/damage data even if the char they are using isn't in your party.
3) Your active tab will switch to the last one that receives a message. IE: If u have public chat enabled it on one but not the others, it will switch to that one.

Edit:
Forgot to mention:
+ sign now creates a new tab.
- sign removes current tab.
»» sign detaches the tab so you can move it else where.
The lock prevents you from detaching and changing the order of the tabs.
Double click the name of the tab to edit the name then press enter to save it.
You can have up to 10 tabs.

here is the chat log options again since you missed it, the first time I posted it.

Quest log tells you if you have all of the necessary items and (# of monsters killed)/(# of monsters needed). It also tells you if the quest log/objective changed.

Edit:
In pvp areas, options 15 and 16 only shows the damage you and your party members receive not the damage you deal. But will still show you what you are being targeted with.

Nretep

02-16-2010 08:07 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Luk missing in Flee and Hit Formula

Chilly

03-10-2010 11:17 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

the exp gained seems to be wrong for killing monsters that are over 10 levels higher than you. im not sure what the exact %s are but when you kill something 11 levels higher than you, the exp gained is noticeably higher then killing something about 15-20 levels higher.

also, the amount of job exp you gain from a monster is based on your base level, not your job level.

Clogon

03-15-2010 04:14 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doddler (Post 703464)

They said that the refine cap is +20, at which point an item gives +60 defense. I haven't specifically seen it yet but I guess if that's true, that means +1~+4 is 1 def, +5 ~ +8 is 2 def, 9-12 is 3, 13-16 is 4, and 17-20 is 5, which makes for a total of 60 def.

Edit: Technically, that would put max defense up to about 600~650 ish. That would put damage reduction at about 55%, or 70% with assumptio. That would actually be pretty huge, although rather unlikely based on the difficulty of upgrading.

I confirm this!

My +9 undershirt gets 20 def. 5+1*4(+1->+4)+2*4(+5->+8)+3*1(+9)=20

Spoiler Alert:

Nretep

08-09-2010 01:07 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Realus (Post 869315)

I attempted to tackle it. Although I know nothing of coding, so my arrangement is crude to say the least.
I'm sure if someone else tried they can make a much better looking formula.

Code:

[X*40] + [Y+1] * (Refine - [Y*4]) = Refine Def



Where (X, Y) Equals:

+00~04 = (0.0, 0)

+05~08 = (0.1, 1)

+09~12 = (0.3, 2)

+13~16 = (0.6, 3)

+17~20 = (1.0, 4)

(Or when plugging in the X, Y)

Code:

+00~04  00 + 1*(Refine-00) = Def

+05~08  04 + 2*(Refine-04) = Def  

+09~12  12 + 3*(Refine-08) = Def

+13~16  24 + 4*(Refine-12) = Def

+17~20  40 + 5*(Refine-16) = Def

E.g: Let's do the math for +15 Gear.
[0.6*40] + [3+1] * (15 - [3*4]) = X
24 + 4 * (15 - 12) = X
24 + 4 * 3 = X
24 + 12 = X
36 = X

even without updating the recalc it's still pretty accurate. For getting formulas, you can just check its code. If you look at the calcs source, you'll see the included js files. Most roformulas are pretty obviously hidden in "roformulas.js" here:

http://calcxre.wushuang.ws/js/roformulas.js

the functions are named and commented for everyone to read. and the upgrade part says:

Code:

        n_A_DEFplus = n_A_HEAD_DEF_PLUS + n_A_BODY_DEF_PLUS + n_A_LEFT_DEF_PLUS + n_A_SHOULDER_DEF_PLUS + n_A_SHOES_DEF_PLUS

// +5 gives additional def, +9 further, +13 further, +17 further

        n_A_DEFplus += Max(0,n_A_HEAD_DEF_PLUS-4) + Max(0,n_A_BODY_DEF_PLUS-4) + Max(0,n_A_LEFT_DEF_PLUS-4) + Max(0,n_A_SHOULDER_DEF_PLUS-4) + Max(0,n_A_SHOES_DEF_PLUS-4);

        n_A_DEFplus += Max(0,n_A_HEAD_DEF_PLUS-8) + Max(0,n_A_BODY_DEF_PLUS-8) + Max(0,n_A_LEFT_DEF_PLUS-8) + Max(0,n_A_SHOULDER_DEF_PLUS-8) + Max(0,n_A_SHOES_DEF_PLUS-8);

        n_A_DEFplus += Max(0,n_A_HEAD_DEF_PLUS-12) + Max(0,n_A_BODY_DEF_PLUS-12) + Max(0,n_A_LEFT_DEF_PLUS-12) + Max(0,n_A_SHOULDER_DEF_PLUS-12) + Max(0,n_A_SHOES_DEF_PLUS-12);

        n_A_DEFplus += Max(0,n_A_HEAD_DEF_PLUS-16) + Max(0,n_A_BODY_DEF_PLUS-16) + Max(0,n_A_LEFT_DEF_PLUS-16) + Max(0,n_A_SHOULDER_DEF_PLUS-16) + Max(0,n_A_SHOES_DEF_PLUS-16);

Chilly

08-19-2010 09:48 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Updated world map for the new world areas (up to 14.1):

http://a.imageshack.us/img842/5190/worldmapbifrost.jpg

Haemosu

10-17-2010 10:34 AM

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having to check the elemental damage charts 1 at a time was getting on my nerves, so i've combined them.

adele

10-26-2010 01:23 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

this thread not sticky?

junta-kun

10-29-2010 07:29 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

I think the gained exp per level difference has been changed. I've noticed changed from up to 10 lvls difference. Im not really sure what the exact facts are, so the topic starter change the first page?

Metheos

10-30-2010 06:46 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

every 5 points of luck gives me 1 flee

remrem

02-16-2011 12:30 PM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

can u guys update the overrefine bonus for 2H weapons.

bcoz during one rough test i can definitely see overrefine bonus for 2H weapons atm.

i just want someone to double chk it. thnx.

7dragons

04-19-2012 08:03 AM

Re: Renewal information (no questions in this topic)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clogon (Post 673772)

150.27*8*580/830-114=726.06
Where did that "8" come from? I can't figure it out.

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