GX: Guillotine Cross Discussion

Originally Posted by Iruga Niisan

I complained a lot and current situation proves how right i am (!) However, this types of conditions are results of your "type" of people

no, youre aways wrong, GX is nice the way it is, just need its revision.

so what weapons are best for CI-Gx builds? 2 twin edges of naght seiger? and then you insert triple boned and triple bloody for each?

best damage i did with ragstate calc was 60k edp CI with 2 glorious flamberge +6, targeting alice
(+6 glorious damascus in the off hand also works)
with both glorious +9 = 80k damage (but its.. as hard as a mvp card to get =S)

EDP in ragstate just increase all dmg by 3x not that 4x w.atk+5x e.atk

well assuming we cant get those glorious items... well in pRO valk its very hard due to the swarm of bots

so whats the next best blades for CI?

Originally Posted by TchuTchuKao

EDP in ragstate just increase all dmg by 3x not that 4x w.atk+5x e.atk

well, even with edp off, its still the best, and.. without glorious weapons.. one sword of naght seiger with 3 hydras and a 4x hydra random weapon off hand, i think.

Originally Posted by Kuran

well, even with edp off, its still the best, and.. without glorious weapons.. one sword of naght seiger with 3 hydras and a 4x hydra random weapon off hand, i think.

No boned?

Originally Posted by Kaisi

No boned?

Skeleton Worker+Hydras no longer multiply like (100%*60%*15%) 3x hydras+1SW,as they only increase your weapon dmg 4x hydras is the best card setup for PvP scenario.

200 weapon attack*80% 4x hydras= 360 or 200*20%*20%*20%=360

200 weapon attack*60%+15% 3x Hydras 1x SW=200*60%+200*15%=350

[All this are just deductions I didn't tested nothing and didn't saw any post related about this.So if someone could test it would be better]

afaik, it is still like cards add, nonlike cards multiply so it should still be the same. However it does only use the wep atk part to multiply so it should be 200*1.6*1.15+5 for 200 weapon atk and then you add all status atk to that

@TchuTchuKao:
Ragnagate is wrong (not the first time they are either. They finally switched to my Ranger Trap formula =D) and I already posted screens as proof of my EDP tests.

Racial, Size and Elemental cards still stack multiplicatively with each otehr exclusively so you still get 1.6x*1.15x=1.84x with Tripple Bloody Boned weapons; which is higher than 1.8x from Quadruple Bloody.

They appley to BOTH w.atk AND e.atk just not s.atk.

Hi people. My question is about EDP. What is the real formula for EDP with other skills?
Thank You all for the attention ^_^.
Bye.

I'd like to see some of those EDP tests, I'm not entirely convinced. :/

As you wish:

Non EDP:

Spoiler Alert:

1) Trifring: 644 damage with 1 sphere: 300(s.atk) + 200*[1+0.5 (Str)+0.2(Max Power)] + 1(Ice Pick) + 3 (Sphere)


2) Fist: 301 damage: 300 + 1 (Ice Pick)


3) Fist with Bunny Head gear (+5 e.atk): 306 damage: 300 + 1 + 5(Head gear)

EDP:

Spoiler Alert:

1) Trifring: 2004 damage: 300(s.atk) + 200*1.7*5(EDP) + 1*4(EDP)


2) Fist: 304 damage: 300 + 1*4


3) Fist with Bunny Head gear: 324 damage: 300 + 6*4


4) Trifring with Bunny Headgear: 2024 damage: 300 + 200*1.7*5 +6*4

Edit:
Anyone have a GX so I can do a more current Test? I need you to poison me with Magic Mushroom since we can nolonger consum it.

I don't... fully understand the point of having an icepick on offhand though. Why would you use an offhand weapon at all?

Ice pick bypasses Def so it simplifies the calculations with the only drawback of +1 e.atk. I don't wanna have to do [total atk]*575/577-2 every time. If I didn't use Ice Pick, I'll have to calculate exact s.atk too since s.atk isn't floored till [total atk] and the decimals can create the difference of 1 damage.

Edit:
All my Damage tests use Def bypassing weapons and Max power to simplify the calculations. Though I am still hoping for someone with a GX to poison me with Magic Mushroom for Max Power so I can redo this test incase they changed it when they implement this in the main servers. Or better yet have someone else to them...

@TchuTchuKao:
As you can see with a weapon on, the final damage is quite close to atk*3 which is why it can easily be mistaken.

mb i am wrong but ice pick do not bypass def, it Deals more damage depending on the target's Defense

But porings have 1 defense..

@Cold Ethil:
You are wrong. Try it in PvP against a RG that has 300+ def and see for your self.


@Frost: As you can see from the link below Porings have 2 def. They also have 2 s.def that you'd need to calculate from their stats.
http://rode-r.doddlercon.com/monster/view/1002

i would like to see an actual test on another player ( fully geared even w/ just +4equips ). i'd like to see how much damage can a GX deliver and if it's still capable to living up to the name " killer ".

@Clogon
So the bonus atk from EDP in the ragstate is right?I mean it will almost 3x dmg with ctrl+click but with skill it will add x1,5 so to do the right calculate of CI I just /2 in the final dmg?cuz it does 3x dmg in the calc,this is why I presumed that EDP bonus was wrong...