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Old 12-25-2009, 02:01 AM   #1
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Default Assassin or Rogue?

I plan on transing whatever route I go.

I want a char that will be for pure PvM/MvP, I am thinking that as a Rogue my MvP abilities will suck, but i'm not sure how good a stalker is.
I want to be useful in things like upper level parties/MvPs, endless tower, etc...

Which is the better class for what I want?

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Old 12-25-2009, 02:15 AM   #2
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Default Re: Assassin or Rogue?

Well.... idk how bios on Valk works but Stalkers are useful for Bios here. Not so much for MvPing/Endless, youll wanna go with sinx for that.
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Old 12-25-2009, 08:11 AM   #3
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Default Re: Assassin or Rogue?

Make a SinX.

The range of things you can do on a SinX is very wide indeed.
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Sinx can definitely do more MVPs than a stalker even with a WoE build. I still like stalkers more, but admit they are inferior to assassin crosses.
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Old 12-25-2009, 08:29 AM   #5
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I'd say if you want a PVM class, not MVP, it would be a toss up.
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Default Re: Assassin or Rogue?

Sin-X -> attacks your opponents physically (EDP + SB + Link = OHKO)
Stalker -> attacks your opponents psychologically (FK while spreading statuses around the Emperium room, Close Confine near Guardians in BG, and stripping people out of their weapons. It's a serious mental hit on your opponents )

I just transed my Gank Rogue to a WoE / PvM Stalker and I'm proud of it.
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Old 12-25-2009, 11:38 AM   #7
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Sin-X -> attacks your opponents physically (EDP + SB + Link = OHKO)
Stalker -> attacks your opponents psychologically (FK while spreading statuses around the Emperium room, Close Confine near Guardians in BG, and stripping people out of their weapons. It's a serious mental hit on your opponents )

I just transed my Gank Rogue to a WoE / PvM Stalker and I'm proud of it.
Would a bow stalker be any use in a party against higher level bosses and the like?
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Old 12-25-2009, 08:43 PM   #8
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Well, they can do Biolabs and they can survive almost better than a Sin-X due to better VIT and Counter Instinct. Most Bow Stalkers are recruited to parties because they can Snatch some dangerous monsters out of the party, and can come back safely either with Stealth. Even tho they are better off solo, Stalkers can also be a secondary damage dealer in a party either with BB or DS.
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Old 12-28-2009, 08:17 AM   #9
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Default Re: Assassin or Rogue?

youll just steal the lex from SD sinx/acid bomb/asura.
stalkers are meant for PvP/WoE. cause most of their skills are for disable and escape alive, wich means not very good for pvm, but if you want a stalker for high end mvps, the best would be caster, still, not as good as a Hwizz.
and again, if youre not thinking on WoE, PvP, stalker isnt really the class you should make.(unless you do a dagger stalker wich is good for PvM, but not good in MvPs.
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Old 12-28-2009, 09:46 AM   #10
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Stalker can be used to Full Strip MVPs such as Ifrit, Rangdris and Satan Morroc to reduce their Def and Atk. Strip Weapon would also be enough as all you really want is to reduce their Atk to survive some of their strongest skills such as Earthquake and Sonic Blow. It's not that great but probably more useful than a sinx for said MVPs
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Old 12-28-2009, 01:15 PM   #11
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Yeah... Divest Helm on Katherine Keyron at Bio 3, and it feels like you're wearing a wind armor (But you're not) when you're hit by her Thunderstorm / Jupitel Thunder
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Old 01-02-2010, 02:03 AM   #12
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the 3rd job options allow a stalker to pretend its a bolter scholar, cept using any spell you want like meteor or something. I plan on making one for that purpose at some point.
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Old 01-02-2010, 03:36 PM   #13
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:39 PM   #14
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I should make a clip of a 99 dex/int sinx using ice falcon+elemental sword. You just spam cold bolt level 3 from ice falcon which triggers the elemental sword.

I havent checked if elemental sword and gazetti cancel each other out, I have a feeling they might (both do "cast cold bolt on attack").
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Old 01-13-2010, 02:01 PM   #15
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I want a char that will be for pure PvM/MvP
It would be a toss up if you had said "pure PvM". However, if you want to MvP as well I would say go SinX.

Stalkers do not have access to the high dmg skills normally used to MVP. I mean, I suppose you could MvP stuff with BB/SG/DS (bow build), or meleeing low tier MvPs (high agi build), but you wouldn't get anywhere in case of competition.

A SinX can just pop an EDP and Sonic Blow the shit out of quite a few MvPs.
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Pure PvM/MvP
Pure PVM = Rogue / Stalker cuz of Gank (Rares hello?) and the ability to wear a shield. Snatch is also a really helpful skill (From my exp. as a former Rogue it's one good skill. Mobbed while killing a Titan? Snatch and you can continue killing your target safely ^o^)

MVP is surely an Assassin / Sin-X because of Link and EDP when you reach Sin-X. They're good for PVM but they just kill faster than a Rogue. Go SB the shit out of any MVPs except MVPs from Lighthalzen update episode to 13.2
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Old 01-13-2010, 08:35 PM   #17
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If you're playing on Valkyrie, Sin Crosses are good because EDP is cheap and plentiful; never runs out in supply on the server.

If you want a for-fun character, go ahead and make a Stalker. But keep in mind that you will be killing absolutely no players by yourself, no MVPs except possibly low tier ones with no competition like Pharaoh, no monsters except low tier ones like Goats and Anubis. If you want to actually kill players, high tier MVPs, solo high tier monsters like in Bio 3 and Thors, make a Sin Cross.

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Old 01-14-2010, 12:14 PM   #18
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stalkers can also solo thors/bio3/nameless and kill really well players in pvp unless u guys keep FCP up pvping, specially sinx pally lk, that do not happen in woe(go to support) and mvps(not enough damage/support), this part is agreed.
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Old 01-17-2010, 06:11 AM   #19
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I posted this on the main RO forums:

Personally I have transed both. The real redeeming factor for a rogue is in having Gank, it makes life alot easier and grinding for items is ALOT less attention demanding BUT if you like PvP/WoE/MvPing, a rogue or Stalker isnt all that good and after going Dagger Stalker (The PvM build) I have abandoned my stalker until I can reset it to go bow for WoE. Intimidate can make you very flexible, and even moreso when you get preserve. Divest (Bow builds) can make pretty much any class powerless if you WoE/PvP. Not having the use of an offhand dagger can be a godsend if you dont have all that much cash, as reduction shields in general cost alot less than appropriately carded daggers for where you train, but in the case of some cards they are going to be like 5x or more the cost (Peno, Alice, Hodremlin, Executioner etc.)

As for an Assassin, you still get steal, which I basically see as a more attention demanding Gank, but it is ALOT more PvP/WoE orientated, which is what I personally enjoy most in RO. When you trans basically ANY SinX can be EXTREMELY powerful in almost all aspects of the game, EDP makes you a GREAT killer for most MvP's and almost unchallenged in WoE/PvP and basically any build of SinX can do really well in PvM, meaning that training one can be very easy. You do get the ability to use two daggers, which increases your damage a HUGE amount compared to rogues, and you can still use a shield if you prefer (I personally used a shield and dagger setup while I trained from 90>99), Katars and Katar skills are very very nice and very powerful, GT makes you a good mob killer and SB is good for picking off single targets, with DD you get the point and click aspect on a very powerful scale (I would say the BEST point and click killing class), if you like crits you can get equip crit setups and still have a good amount of dex (52 crit in window with 2 base luk is what I ran with for some time), seeing the big red bubbles flying out at fast speeds is extremely fun (I'm about to make a crit sin even though I have a 9x SinX simply because it is so fun ^^).

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