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Old 06-27-2010, 11:33 PM   #1
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Default Bowling Bash build Help

I plan to start my Bowling Bash knight soon

However, I'm completely at a loss.

I have a few questions.

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Do you need more dex or agi? Infact, if your going pvm and you don't plan on dancing at all should you even need agi?

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Does this look alright so far?

99 str
20 int
59 dex
70 vit
rest are 1's.

Sorry, I fealt the need to color coordinate my questions.

Please someone enlighten me on the subject, because I don't know anything about Knights.

(This build isn't for an LK it's for a regular Knight)

Probably using a spear, +9ish with % cards.

Thank you for your help. :3
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Old 06-28-2010, 10:28 AM   #2
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agi helps with pierce spam and having agi is definitely noticeable when BBing, just not to the extent that DEX is.

Drop the int and round up to 80 dex total with bless and put the rest in agi and it looks good.

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Old 06-28-2010, 02:58 PM   #3
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so DEX > AGI in spamming BB?
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Old 06-28-2010, 04:34 PM   #4
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Up to a certain point, yes, it's somewhere in the upper 8x base DEX that it becomes more worth your while to put the points into AGI instead. You probably won't have to worry about that.
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Old 06-28-2010, 04:54 PM   #5
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sorry to write in ur tread but it might help u out too. so will this be fine?

93 STR
7x VIT
7x DEX

no agi/int/luk?
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Old 06-28-2010, 05:41 PM   #6
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Fine for a normal knight, although if you're planning on piercing a lot in Thors or something you might want to drop VIT to 60 base and add some AGI.
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Old 06-28-2010, 06:25 PM   #7
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Here's my two builds

94+26str (2x MOH or megs)
20+21agi
70+20dex
71+9vit

94+26str
20+21agi
60+20dex
81+9vit

I think my builds are fairly solid.

For spears use, kvm or bg. Having your shit not break is awesome. Fuck you minstrels fuck you.
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Old 06-29-2010, 03:59 PM   #8
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Your STR is too high. If you plan on WoEing without Vit immunity expect a headache.

And AGI points overtake DEX points when DEX is in the 60's usually, however you spend a lot of time playing catch up, so a quicker cast (dex) is going to be better than a quicker delay (agi).

I use something like...
83+47 STR
29+20 AGI
81+19 VIT
70+24 DEX

For a non-belted Lord Knight. Thats with foods/buffs and Diablos set. It may be worth it to modify a bit to use BG Medallion in one slot... but I never really bother calcing with those.
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6x? Unless you're constantly counting strings (which you shouldn't) the dropoff for DEX isn't nearly that low. 1 DEX point becomes equal to the equivalent amount of agi at exactly 79 DEX and agi begins to become better per point at 81 DEX.
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Old 06-30-2010, 11:50 AM   #10
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Your STR is too high. If you plan on WoEing without Vit immunity expect a headache.

And AGI points overtake DEX points when DEX is in the 60's usually, however you spend a lot of time playing catch up, so a quicker cast (dex) is going to be better than a quicker delay (agi).

I use something like...
83+47 STR
29+20 AGI
81+19 VIT
70+24 DEX

For a non-belted Lord Knight. Thats with foods/buffs and Diablos set. It may be worth it to modify a bit to use BG Medallion in one slot... but I never really bother calcing with those.
Bowling bash doesn't do all that much damage anyways. Might as well get the most out of it. 10 vit isn't going to save you. Hell I'm doing fine with 70vit. With 80 vit stun lasts what, .6 seconds? Nor will 6 agi show a huge diff. My enemy is freezing.
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Old 06-30-2010, 02:57 PM   #11
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how do you even argue not having 100vit on a woe lk, u must fight some shitty guilds

and bbing without strings isnt exactly worth it, dont see why you wouldn't plan your dex around bragi for a woe build
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Old 06-30-2010, 03:49 PM   #12
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how do you even argue not having 100vit on a woe lk, u must fight some shitty guilds

and bbing without strings isnt exactly worth it, dont see why you wouldn't plan your dex around bragi for a woe build
The way I see it as an LK you can't really rely on bragi the way a chem/wizard can, a lot of the time you're attempting to get into the enemy mob and assuming the other guild you're fighting is competent at all you're not going to get bragi aside from the 20 seconds you'll have after leaving your own mob (and even then that's very likely to get dispelled before you make it over). Relying on bragi completely would pretty much relegate you to a ground control status inside your own mob and that's a really shitty job for a LK.

That's 2.0, anyway. For 1.0 I could argue its the same for different reasons but who cares about 1.0.

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Bowling bash doesn't do all that much damage anyways. Might as well get the most out of it. 10 vit isn't going to save you. Hell I'm doing fine with 70vit. With 80 vit stun lasts what, .6 seconds? Nor will 6 agi show a huge diff. My enemy is freezing.
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Old 06-30-2010, 04:47 PM   #13
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My current LK WoE's with 90 vit. It's a pain in the ass getting cursed every second considering the duration and the amount of pots I'd lose if I would bring holy water/whatever to cancel the curse effect.

It's very rare that the opposing guild will drop bragi just because an LK is in it, even with absolutely amazing gears, without megs you'll be pretty lucky to break a 6k DPS. If you wanted to do the shitty non-damaging LK job though, yes, you'd want as much dex as possible to an extent so you can quickly dish out the BBs and keep casts locked etc.

But WoEing without vit immunity is pretty dumb if you plan on fighting anyone that isn't eliminated in the first round of USRC.

In short: Hitting as hard as possible isn't as important as hitting as quickly as possible. Bowling Bash isn't a burst damage skill like sonic blow or guillotine fist. Play around with the calc and find a good balance, but you'll probably see the STR > 90 is going to hurt your dps more than it'll help. 80's easily reset to so you could PvM at 99 and just reset it off.

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I didn't mean they'd drop bragi, I mean a competent clown will be flashing songs every 20 seconds and not just standing there with bragi up. Keep in mind I'm taking into account the other guild being decent, 20 seconds is plenty for an LK to get ground controlled and killed; its very likely you will reach the other guild's mob with no bragi in sight.

Non-damaging LKs aren't terrible; if you've disrupted a mob enough to allow your guild's scholar(s) into their mob then you've done much better than a DPS LK would ever do.
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I didn't mean it in a bad way. I just prefer killing. But an LK's main job without megs is disrupting the opposing guild, so long as you do 1 damage and hit everyone you're doing just fine for that.
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Old 07-01-2010, 10:03 PM   #16
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I didn't know people still built lord knights with less than 100 vit, no wonder so many of them die to 50 str guild leader champion fists...

(If that wasn't clear, I can't even imagine building a lord knight with less than 100 vit for anything at all, unless you are going a silly high agi/dex DPS build purely for farming easy monsters)

As for the OP: as a leveling knight you would probably do fine with that, though i would probably drop the int and use sp+ gears.

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how do you even argue not having 100vit on a woe lk, u must fight some shitty guilds

and bbing without strings isnt exactly worth it, dont see why you wouldn't plan your dex around bragi for a woe build
You're a shitty guild? 100 vit is nice, I'd rather put it in points where I can do more dps.

@Copeland this is on ymir. 70vit it does get annoying 8x-9x is fine.

I also don't want to spend money on vit foods.
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You can't DPS when you're stunfucked cursed and dead because 0.6 seconds is plenty of time to get AD Raped and GFisted.
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The point is I'm hardley "stun fucked" at 70vit. It's annoying but it's tolerable. any character I use with 80+ vit, it doesn't bug me at all. I also rarely get cursed, can just bring a few holy waters.
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Old 07-02-2010, 12:17 AM   #20
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Well I don't know who you're fighting but I'm cursed almost 24/7 with 90 vit. At THAT point stun isn't a massive problem but losing the ability to pot and the fact that I can get over 23k HP like that makes it worth it for those champs that have more than 50 str.
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