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Old 08-14-2010, 05:30 AM   #1
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Default Suhnbi Enriched Oridecon vs Whitesmith Job70

Which has better chance of refining a weapon to +10?

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Old 08-14-2010, 05:41 AM   #2
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enriched dont give better % for going +10 with lvl 3 or lvl 4 weapon i think =x. but ws still get 10% better
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Old 08-14-2010, 06:18 AM   #3
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It doesn't help on going to the +10 stat on either the elu or ori version.
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Old 08-14-2010, 09:59 AM   #4
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Ok, so how about going to +9?enriched vs job 70

enriched gives:
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+8 -> +9 60%, 30%, 30%, 30%, 30
normal elu/ori:
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+8 -> +9 40% 20% 20% 20% 20%
job70 gives +10%, so does this mean: when your going to +9, a job70 WS have the same success chance with enriched, even using normal ores?
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+8 -> +9 60%, 30%, 30%, 30%, 30
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:09 AM   #5
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for a lvl 4 weapon[E. ori vs. MS jlvl70]
+5[90% vs. 70%] normal rates: 60%
+6[60% vs. 50%] normal rates: 40%
+7[60% vs. 50%] normal rates: 40%
+8[30% vs. 30%] normal rates: 20%
+9[30% vs. 30%] normal rates: 20%
+10[10% vs. 20%] normal rates: 10%
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:22 AM   #6
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hmm, but what are the chances of upgrade on lvl 3 and lower weapons compared to enriched with jlvl 70?
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:22 AM   #7
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for a lvl 4 weapon[E. ori vs. MS jlvl70]
+5[90% vs. 70%] normal rates: 60%
+6[60% vs. 50%] normal rates: 30%
+7[60% vs. 50%] normal rates: 30%
+8[30% vs. 30%] normal rates: 20%
+9[30% vs. 30%] normal rates: 20%
+10[10% vs. 20%] normal rates: 10%
Wow! Thanks! Now I understand that it's better if Suhnbi will refine it up to +7, then my MS will do the rest.

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Old 08-14-2010, 10:23 AM   #8
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sorry its not 30% its 40% for normal rates

lvl 3[E. Ori vs. lvl70 MS]
+6[90% vs. 70%] Normal Rates: 60%
+7[75% vs. 60%] Normal Rates: 50%
+8[30% vs. 30%] Normal Rates: 20%
+9[30% vs. 30%] Normal Rates: 20%
+10[20% vs. 30%] Normal Rates: 20%
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Old 08-14-2010, 10:31 AM   #9
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I think I got this right... from this page info http://irowiki.org/wiki/Refinement_System
just add 10% to the normal elu/ori chances to get the chances if refined by j70. I really thought that 10% additional bonus has a hidden complicated calculation
The e. has it's own table list.

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Old 08-14-2010, 10:54 AM   #10
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jlvl70 MS only works on weapons too..
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Old 08-14-2010, 11:22 AM   #11
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Also, there seems to be some cap on maximum success rate (excluding enriched) when using a MS to upgrade. For example, a job 70 MS can break a lv 1 weapon, going from +0 to +1. I don't think it's been well documented anywhere.
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Old 08-14-2010, 02:17 PM   #12
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Also, there seems to be some cap on maximum success rate (excluding enriched) when using a MS to upgrade. For example, a job 70 MS can break a lv 1 weapon, going from +0 to +1. I don't think it's been well documented anywhere.
I highly doubt that with the amount of weapons I've upgraded. I have a jlvl 70 MS with lvl 10 weapon refine and I've upgraded over 500 weapons lvl 1-4 and I've never broken under safe limit.

maybe if you were under jlvl 51 which is when u first start getting the additional +0.5% for each jlvl you get.
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Old 08-14-2010, 02:21 PM   #13
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I don't know; I broke some, but I'm on valkyrie where there isn't an ordinary safe limit.
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Old 08-15-2010, 10:17 PM   #14
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^F2P servers have no safe limit.
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Old 08-16-2010, 07:42 AM   #15
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I think what jax is implying is that the success rates on Valk (F2P) irowiki shows is either inaccurate or that mastersmith upgrade chances are lower on Valk
since mastersmith's upgrade skill should give a 10% higher chance, technically speaking no weapons should break at all going to +1 (since irowiki shows it's 90%)

I've broken at least 7 tae goo lyongs from +0 to +1
so yeah. one of the refining chances are lowered; I'm just not sure which one is
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Old 08-23-2010, 07:05 PM   #16
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Maybe WS upgrading doesnt affect the +'s that are normally safe on premiums, even on valk.
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When i asked this on some other server (yeah, official), they said that the upgrade chance for MSs was 10% over the success value, not a 10% flat increase. That would leave chances of going +0 -> +1 on Valk at 99% instead of 100%.
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:56 PM   #18
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Depends how you interpret it. 30% +10% could be either 33% or 40% unless they state specifically if its additive or multiplicative.

My hunch suggests WS skill (for lvl 3 weapons for example) adds +10% to upgrades over +4, regardless of the server ignoring +1-4 due to historically having no reason to check those upgrade levels. I dont have a WS on valk to test that though.
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Old 08-24-2010, 01:57 AM   #19
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Now that you mention it, I'm confused whether ihigh's answer is correct.
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