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Old 09-19-2011, 08:31 PM   #21
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well, if you are doing it as you said:
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Use my Sura to farm MVP's and woe/pvp with my RG.
then i'd suggest you reset again to get your str maxed, reduce your vit to 70 total (or more if you feel like it), the rest put into int.

Reason:
1. i have a 120str/65 vit/80 dex/36 luk/100 int sura.
with pp change on, i have 29k hp. which is a lot more less than you but i never got one shot by any of the high end mvp.
2. i have a 110str/75vit/70 dex/75luk/100 int sura.
with pp change on, i have 33k hp, but again my dmg is around 70-80k avg lesser than the above sura (of coz with the same weapon/equip)

so if ur sura are for mvping only, i'd suggest you going for that.
70-80k is a lot.
You are serious?

Unless you're belted I can't see how 10str difference can give you 70 ~ 80k boost to GF damage.
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:46 PM   #22
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well, if you are doing it as you said:
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Use my Sura to farm MVP's and woe/pvp with my RG.
then i'd suggest you reset again to get your str maxed, reduce your vit to 70 total (or more if you feel like it), the rest put into int.

Reason:
1. i have a 120str/65 vit/80 dex/36 luk/100 int sura.
with pp change on, i have 29k hp. which is a lot more less than you but i never got one shot by any of the high end mvp.
2. i have a 110str/75vit/70 dex/75luk/100 int sura.
with pp change on, i have 33k hp, but again my dmg is around 70-80k avg lesser than the above sura (of coz with the same weapon/equip)

so if ur sura are for mvping only, i'd suggest you going for that.
70-80k is a lot.
You are serious?

Unless you're belted I can't see how 10str difference can give you 70 ~ 80k boost to GF damage.
this is what i was thinking, especially since that much more luk and dex gives a lot more atk than that 10 str.
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Old 09-20-2011, 02:20 AM   #23
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if i'm belted (one only) with god shoes.
my 120 sura do 750k
my 110 sura do 650k
on average.

i'll post some screen here when i test it.
Buff used:
vip +7 buff to all stat, pp change 5, blessing 10, Agi 10
here is the 110 sura one, 530k on maya (was so far the top dmg), usually the dmg avg out on 520k
again i'll upload the 120 sura one with the same gear, same sp just different str/luk/dex later.

as u can see 530k vs 580k. (top end dmg vs average dmg)
as i mention, 110 str one usually avg out at 510-520k, sometime it went down to 490k,
120 str i see over 600k (very rare) and 570-580 is average, sometimes it went down to 550 or even 540 but that's the lowest it'll go.

accroding to the wiki formula:
Status Atk:
(Base level/4 + STR + DEX/5 + LUK/3)
so 10 more str give you 10 s.atk, however 30 more luk also give u 10 s.atk. but remember the 110 sura have 10 less dex so that's 2 atk less. so my build would have:
10 s.atk vs 8 s.atk (120 str vs the 110 str one)

Weapon Atk:
Weapon ATK = (Base Weapon ATK + Variance + STR Bonus + Refinement Bonus)*Size Penalty
as you can see the variance and the refinement bonus is the same (same weapon) so the str bonus take effect.
STR Bonus = Base Weapon ATK * STR/200
so this case: Carga 175 Base Weapon ATk *143/200 vs 175 *133/200 resulting:
125.125 vs 116.375 different is around 8-9 atk.
and also this: Increased by % ATK item effects such as The Sign or Hydra Card.
now that 8 different (rounded down) atk *1.5% (2x ak card) = 12 atk.

2 more s.atk, 12 more w.atk for a 120 str vs 110 str, 80dex vs 70dex, 36luk vs 75 luk.
so i dont' know where u get this information on:
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this is what i was thinking, especially since that much more luk and dex gives a lot more atk than that 10 str.
this is theorically, and is proven by my 2 screenie. so if ur sura is mvp only, i'd say u max ur str.
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Old 09-20-2011, 02:37 AM   #24
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I think thats because megs provides 10% bonus damage against boss monsters when you have 120 base str.
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Old 09-20-2011, 04:14 AM   #25
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i was shock when i first saw 750k dmg coming out since i'm not expecting 750k, i was expecting around 680k. and was thinking wut is wrong, but then when i try it on my 110 str one, it do come out expected number. didn't know the bonus back then. XD
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Old 09-21-2011, 03:35 AM   #26
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more vit will be better, because of the incoming balance patch that may affect gfist. other than that, for soloing high end mvps. more damage might be better but to be honest its really not the most efficient when you talk about potting ales off the burst mvp damage. when you are seriously going for a long mvp runs, ale/ygg use becomes a serious concern, and you'll want to be efficient in terms of number of items used per mvp and so on.

p.s i do 715k with my 90 total str sura with 1 meg/solo, pretty sure you're doing it wrong somewhere

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