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Old 12-13-2011, 05:58 AM   #1
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I was pondering about the viability of Tiger Cannon as a main killing skill in WOE after the Gfist nerf thing. Let's just say a certain Sura has +13 kvm, Tao, Meg, using HP Inc pot and Stat Foods, running around with 80k+ HP.

Will that Sura, with that kind of set up be enough to kill people with TC 10 in WOE? How much avg damage it will do to a fully reduction-geared target?

Or should that Sura go bust and use KA/GoH instead? Or heck, play another class.

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Old 12-14-2011, 01:50 AM   #2
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To be honest - try it and and just see for yourself. It'll either kill people or it wont haha. (That said you need to watch out for getting hit, it has a cast time and if I recall correctly it is interruptible?)

Back in Feb I tried it out when WoE reducs were only 40%, only had a +9 glorious mace etc.

It was "ok". Pretty average to be honest. But hey, maybe with a +13 glorious, megs, +12 ceb, +12 nid etc, maybe it would be awesome?

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Obviously later I realized that TC is better with SP, my bad. Hehe.
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Old 12-18-2011, 06:07 AM   #3
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So I tested TC10 in WOE with all the TC-helping gears I can muster (more than +10 KvM mace, Bryn, +11 Nyd, +12 CEB, Sp Inc Pots and whatnot), and well, let's just say it's not a good idea.

Couldn't one-shot any 150 other than shieldless GXs and Warlocks all WOE long, and the cast can easily be interrupted. I guess I'll justs stick with either KA or GoH.
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Old 12-18-2011, 09:25 AM   #4
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if you had all those gear, you'd very very easily 1 shot most people with goh
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Old 12-18-2011, 10:28 AM   #5
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A lot of suras

Some of the others may be hard to one hit if they stack neutral reducts.

Easily is a far fetched word in this case.
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Old 12-18-2011, 10:58 AM   #6
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Shadow Chaser
GX
RK
RG
A lot of suras

Some of the others may be hard to one hit if they stack neutral reducts.

Easily is a far fetched word in this case.
neutral reduction...that's why you endow.

gx is fairly easy now due to the more often times they default katar

suras and many other class no longer wears bryn/kvm suit/gr by default, and having to stick to unfro means less hp

rk has less hp now as well.

and i said most people, not everyone. self explanatory.

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If you have a +13 KvM mace 2 megs and a tao your killing 90% of the people you GOH

idk why ANYONE would even consider going KA when they have these gears
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Old 12-18-2011, 07:35 PM   #8
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If you have a +13 KvM mace 2 megs and a tao your killing 90% of the people you GOH

idk why ANYONE would even consider going KA when they have these gears
I wouldn't even bother with KA too if i have all those gears personally, not borrowed gears /spin

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Old 12-19-2011, 09:06 PM   #9
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Shadow Chaser
GX
RK
RG
A lot of suras

Some of the others may be hard to one hit if they stack neutral reducts.

Easily is a far fetched word in this case.
neutral reduction...that's why you endow.

gx is fairly easy now due to the more often times they default katar

suras and many other class no longer wears bryn/kvm suit/gr by default, and having to stick to unfro means less hp

rk has less hp now as well.

and i said most people, not everyone. self explanatory.
If you default a katar go delete your character now.

I'm sorry but half or less isn't most. The classes I listed can hit 50k+ HP easy. If you 100% HP GoH you're not going to kill much. If you go critical HP you're going to die by pretty much anything. GoH doesn't do all that much damage. GR drops the damage no matter what.
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:21 PM   #10
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The majority always default katar (on valk) nothing new.
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look, the gear listed is like +13 kvm, 2 megs, tao, etc. and ill explain again.

more gx OFTEN default katar now, due to EDP being gone from switching. and most of them would be busy with RC and CRS.

people doesn't default GR no more, if you get frozen you're dead meat. i'll just repeat, +13 kvm and 2 megs. those 2 things matter a lot, whether you have 100% hp or not. most people stick to unfrozen now (if not then something is wrong with you), so they take more damage from not defaulting GR, or they simply have less hp from not defaulting kvm suit/bryn.

your point makes sense on paper, but not so much practical.
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^this
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look, the gear listed is like +13 kvm, 2 megs, tao, etc. and ill explain again.

more gx OFTEN default katar now, due to EDP being gone from switching. and most of them would be busy with RC and CRS.

people doesn't default GR no more, if you get frozen you're dead meat. i'll just repeat, +13 kvm and 2 megs. those 2 things matter a lot, whether you have 100% hp or not. most people stick to unfrozen now (if not then something is wrong with you), so they take more damage from not defaulting GR, or they simply have less hp from not defaulting kvm suit/bryn.

your point makes sense on paper, but not so much practical.
Oh no woe is me, I can't default armors and have to be actually good swaping armors. I already tested megs and GoH it doesn't add all too much. Where you getting +13 kvm mace and megs?

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So I tested TC10 in WOE with all the TC-helping gears I can muster (more than +10 KvM mace, Bryn, +11 Nyd, +12 CEB, Sp Inc Pots and whatnot), and well, let's just say it's not a good idea.

Couldn't one-shot any 150 other than shieldless GXs and Warlocks all WOE long, and the cast can easily be interrupted. I guess I'll justs stick with either KA or GoH.
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if you had all those gear, you'd very very easily 1 shot most people with goh
You're compairing to what he said. I went off that gear not god items and +13 kvm mace.
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look, the gear listed is like +13 kvm, 2 megs, tao, etc. and ill explain again.

more gx OFTEN default katar now, due to EDP being gone from switching. and most of them would be busy with RC and CRS.

people doesn't default GR no more, if you get frozen you're dead meat. i'll just repeat, +13 kvm and 2 megs. those 2 things matter a lot, whether you have 100% hp or not. most people stick to unfrozen now (if not then something is wrong with you), so they take more damage from not defaulting GR, or they simply have less hp from not defaulting kvm suit/bryn.

your point makes sense on paper, but not so much practical.
Oh no woe is me, I can't default armors and have to be actually good swaping armors. I already tested megs and GoH it doesn't add all too much. Where you getting +13 kvm mace and megs?

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So I tested TC10 in WOE with all the TC-helping gears I can muster (more than +10 KvM mace, Bryn, +11 Nyd, +12 CEB, Sp Inc Pots and whatnot), and well, let's just say it's not a good idea.

Couldn't one-shot any 150 other than shieldless GXs and Warlocks all WOE long, and the cast can easily be interrupted. I guess I'll justs stick with either KA or GoH.
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if you had all those gear, you'd very very easily 1 shot most people with goh
You're compairing to what he said. I went off that gear not god items and +13 kvm mace.
Meg's dont add all that much to GOH LoL?
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Oh no woe is me, I can't default armors and have to be actually good swaping armors. I already tested megs and GoH it doesn't add all too much. Where you getting +13 kvm mace and megs?

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You're compairing to what he said. I went off that gear not god items and +13 kvm mace.
check out the op first post. i shouldn't have to quote it for you.

if you misunderstood me before, sorry for not quoting the first post. but yes that's what im comparing my statement to.

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I use a meg and a +14 kvm mace, I have no problems dropping people with one GoH at full HP, but you should know what characters to target and which you know your not going to drop. Its that simple

As Far as Tiger Cannon level 10 goes with a Tao and meg, Its going to drop the masses depending on what server your on, but its not going to drop almost anyone with a GR/DR ect. The great advantages of tiger cannon 10 is against RG's and dropping there buffs because it doesnt just deplete HP it depletes SP as well. A well time tiger cannon can save you from a Gfist as well shown in Cybers video above.
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^ Have you tried TC with 2 megs, bryn/kvm instead of tao? Is it good?
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check out the op first post. i shouldn't have to quote it for you.

if you misunderstood me before, sorry for not quoting the first post. but yes that's what im comparing my statement to.
You need to stop posting lyke ur da shit. srsly stfu
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I use a meg and a +14 kvm mace, I have no problems dropping people with one GoH at full HP, but you should know what characters to target and which you know your not going to drop. Its that simple

As Far as Tiger Cannon level 10 goes with a Tao and meg, Its going to drop the masses depending on what server your on, but its not going to drop almost anyone with a GR/DR ect. The great advantages of tiger cannon 10 is against RG's and dropping there buffs because it doesnt just deplete HP it depletes SP as well. A well time tiger cannon can save you from a Gfist as well shown in Cybers video above.
If your talking about 2:30 he lived that Gfist because the raw amount of max HP he had,not cause he TCed the Sura.
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check out the op first post. i shouldn't have to quote it for you.

if you misunderstood me before, sorry for not quoting the first post. but yes that's what im comparing my statement to.
You need to stop posting lyke ur da shit. srsly stfu
posting trolls like this instead of useful insights doesn't make you better. good try though.

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